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I'm new to this community and dealing with my first paper check refund situation, so this thread has been incredibly enlightening! My transcript shows a date of 3/22, and based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like I should expect the actual mailing to happen around 3/25-3/26, with delivery sometime in early April. I had no idea there was such a distinction between "issued" and "mailed" - the IRS really doesn't make this clear at all! I'm definitely taking notes from all the helpful advice here, especially about potentially having the post office hold it for pickup and absolutely setting up direct deposit for next year. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it's so reassuring to know this confusion is normal and that there are actual patterns to the timing!
@Aisha Mohammed Welcome to the community! I m'also pretty new here and this thread has been a lifesaver for understanding how all this works. Your timeline sounds about right based on what everyone s'sharing - I have a 3/20 date on my transcript so we re'probably going to be in the same boat waiting for our checks around the same time! It s'honestly crazy how the IRS makes something that should be straightforward so confusing with their terminology. I m'already planning to switch to direct deposit next year after reading all these stories about the waiting and wondering. At least now we know what to expect instead of checking the mailbox frantically starting on our transcript dates!
As a newcomer to this community, I just want to say thank you all for this incredibly detailed discussion! I'm in the exact same situation with my first paper check refund - my transcript shows 3/17 and I had no clue what that date actually meant. Reading through everyone's experiences has been so helpful in understanding that it's the "issued" date, not the mailing date. Based on all the timelines shared here, it sounds like I should expect my check to be mailed around 3/20-3/21 and arrive sometime between 3/27-4/2. The tip about having the post office hold IRS mail for pickup is genius - I'm definitely calling them tomorrow to set that up. It's honestly frustrating that the IRS doesn't explain this distinction anywhere, but I'm so grateful for communities like this where people share their real experiences. Lesson learned for next year: direct deposit all the way! Thanks again everyone for taking the time to share your knowledge with us newcomers.
I went through this exact situation with my LLC in Virginia last year. After consulting with a tax attorney, I learned that the confusion often comes from misunderstanding what constitutes a "business entity" under IRC Section 761(f). The key issue is that once you form an LLC, you've created a separate legal entity, which disqualifies you from the QJV election in non-community property states. However, there's an important distinction many people miss: you CAN operate the same business activities as a qualified joint venture if you dissolve the LLC first. We ended up dissolving our LLC and now operate as a QJV. The process involved: 1. Filing dissolution paperwork with the state 2. Filing a final 1065 return for the LLC 3. Making the QJV election on our joint return 4. Each filing Schedule C for our respective shares The liability protection loss was concerning, but we mitigated it with increased insurance coverage and careful contract structuring. For our consulting business, the tax simplification was worth it - we went from paying $1,500+ annually for partnership return preparation to handling it ourselves. One important note: make sure both spouses genuinely materially participate in the business operations. The IRS can challenge QJV elections if one spouse is just a passive investor.
This is really helpful, thank you for the detailed breakdown! I'm curious about the insurance aspect you mentioned. What types of coverage did you increase and roughly how much did that add to your annual costs compared to what you were saving on the partnership return prep? Also, when you say "careful contract structuring" - are there specific clauses or language you now include to help protect against liability issues that the LLC would have covered?
Great question! For insurance, we increased our general liability from $1M to $2M coverage and added professional liability insurance (we didn't have it before). The additional premium was about $800/year, but we're saving $1,500+ on tax prep, so still coming out ahead. For contract language, we now include stronger indemnification clauses and make sure to specify that we're operating as individual sole proprietors in a joint venture arrangement. We also added language requiring clients to carry their own insurance and limiting our liability to the amount of fees paid. Our attorney helped draft template language that we use consistently. The key is being very explicit about the business structure in all contracts so there's no confusion about liability exposure. It's definitely more paperwork upfront, but once you have the templates, it's pretty straightforward.
I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences with this complex issue. As someone who went through a similar situation with my spouse's consulting business in Ohio, I wanted to add a few practical considerations that might help others. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the timing aspect of dissolving an LLC. If you're considering this route, plan it carefully around your tax year. We dissolved our LLC at the end of 2023, which meant we had to file both the final 1065 for the LLC AND start the QJV election in the same tax year. It created some complexity in tracking income and expenses across both structures. Also, don't forget about state-level implications. In Ohio, we had to deal with the Commercial Activity Tax (CAT) differently once we dissolved the LLC. Some states have their own partnership filing requirements that might not align with the federal QJV election, so check your state's rules too. One unexpected benefit we discovered: banks and vendors actually preferred dealing with us as sole proprietors rather than through the LLC. Several of our payment processors reduced their fees because we weren't classified as a "business entity" anymore. Not huge savings, but every bit helps when you're trying to simplify your operations. The material participation requirement is real though - the IRS does audit QJV elections, and they'll look at whether both spouses are genuinely involved in day-to-day operations.
This is really valuable information about the timing considerations! I hadn't thought about the complexity of filing both a final 1065 and starting the QJV election in the same tax year. That seems like it could create some messy bookkeeping situations. The point about state-level implications is especially important - I'm in Pennsylvania and now I'm wondering what specific state requirements I need to research before making this decision. Did you find any resources that helped you navigate the state-specific issues, or did you have to figure it out through trial and error? The payment processor fee reduction is an interesting unexpected benefit. That kind of makes sense since sole proprietors might be viewed as lower risk than business entities. Every little bit of savings adds up when you're trying to streamline operations.
Make sure you're using the CORRECT TAX FORMS for 2021! This is super important - you can't just use current year forms for prior year returns. Go to the IRS website and download the specific 2021 forms or make sure your tax software is generating the correct year's forms. I screwed this up once and had my return rejected because I grabbed the wrong year's form from the IRS website. Wasted weeks of processing time just to start over.
Great point! Also worth noting that tax laws change year to year, so certain deductions or credits might be different for 2021 compared to 2023. For example, there were some special COVID-related tax provisions in 2021 that aren't available now.
Adding to what others have said about the 3-year refund window - you're actually in decent shape timing-wise! The 2021 tax deadline was April 18, 2022, so you have until April 18, 2025 to claim that refund. That gives you several months to get everything sorted out. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet: when you do mail your 2021 return, include Form 8453 (U.S. Individual Income Tax Transmittal for an IRS e-file Return) if FreeTaxUSA generated one. This form is required when you prepared your return electronically but have to mail it instead of e-filing. Also, don't stress too much about the paper filing process - millions of people still file paper returns every year. Just make sure you sign and date everything, include all required attachments, and use certified mail like others suggested. The IRS is used to processing paper returns, it just takes longer than e-filing. For your 2022 and 2023 returns, definitely prioritize getting those done ASAP since you should be able to e-file those through most services. Good luck!
This is really helpful information! I didn't know about Form 8453 - that could have been a major oversight on my part. Quick question: if FreeTaxUSA didn't automatically generate this form when they told me I had to mail my return, should I be concerned? Do I need to go back into their system to look for it, or is it something I can download separately from the IRS website? Also, I'm curious about the timing strategy - would it make more sense to get my 2022 and 2023 returns e-filed first (since those should process faster) and then mail my 2021 return, or does the order not really matter for getting my refunds?
Jumping in late but this thread helped me figure out my own Box 19 question! For anyone else confused, here's what I learned: - Box 19 = State income tax withholding only - State disability usually appears in Box 14 - If Box 14 is empty but you had SDI withheld (check paystubs), your employer may have reported it differently - Different states have different disability programs (CA, NY, NJ, RI, HI have state programs) - Some tax software will auto-calculate state disability based on your wages if you live in these states The IRS instructions aren't super clear about state-specific items, which is why this stuff gets so confusing!
This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with the exact same confusion as a first-time filer. My Box 19 shows $1,234 with "TX" next to it, but Texas doesn't have state income tax, so I was completely baffled about what this amount could be for. After reading through all these responses, I'm realizing this might be an error on my W-2. Has anyone else encountered a situation where Box 19 shows withholding for a state that doesn't collect income tax? Should I contact my employer's payroll department about this, or could this be some other type of withholding that I'm not understanding? I'm using TurboTax and it keeps asking me about the Box 19 amount, but when I enter Texas as my state, it says there should be no state tax withholding. Really don't want to mess this up!
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Do high income celebrities ever leave California to move to states with no income tax? If I was paying millions in state taxes alone, I'd seriously consider moving to Texas or Florida.
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Matthew Sanchez
ā¢Absolutely! Many have moved to avoid California's 13.3% tax. Joe Rogan made headlines when he moved to Texas specifically for tax reasons. Florida has become popular too. But CA tax authorities are notorious for auditing people who claim they've moved - they'll check your cell phone records, credit card usage, and even utility bills to verify you actually changed your residency.
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Paolo Ricci
This is a fascinating discussion! As someone who works in tax preparation, I can confirm that celebrities like Tom Hanks face incredibly complex tax situations. One aspect that hasn't been mentioned yet is the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), which often kicks in for high earners and can actually increase their effective tax rate even further. Also, don't forget about self-employment taxes! If Tom Hanks is operating through a loan-out corporation as mentioned earlier, he might avoid some SE taxes, but if he's treated as self-employed, that's an additional 15.3% on the first $160,200 of income (for 2023). The timing of income recognition is huge too - many actors negotiate to defer portions of their compensation to future years when they might be in lower tax brackets or have moved to more tax-friendly states. It's really a chess game between their financial advisors and the tax code!
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Mei Wong
ā¢Great point about the AMT! I never really understood how that worked for high earners. So even after all their deductions and tax planning strategies, celebrities can still get hit with AMT that essentially ignores those deductions? That seems like it could really catch people off guard if they're not planning for it. Also curious - when you mention deferring compensation to future years, how does that actually work in practice? Like can Tom Hanks say "pay me $10M this year and $10M in 2026" when he signs the contract? And what happens if tax rates go up in those future years - wouldn't that backfire?
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