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Great question! I actually went through a similar situation when my spouse worked for a county in Connecticut while we lived in New Hampshire. The good news is that your strategy should generally work, but there are a few things to keep in mind. Once you roll the 457 into an IRA, it typically becomes subject to the tax laws of your state of residence when you take distributions, not where it was originally earned. The rollover essentially "cleanses" the connection to the original state and employer. However, I'd recommend a few precautionary steps: 1. **Document everything**: Keep records of the rollover process and make sure all your residency documentation is rock solid (driver's license, voter registration, etc.) in your no-income-tax state. 2. **Check for specific state provisions**: Some states have tried to claim tax on government employee retirement benefits even after rollover. Since you mentioned High Tax State is aggressive, it might be worth having a tax professional review their specific statutes. 3. **Consider timing**: You might want to wait until after your wife stops working in High Tax State before doing the rollover, just to avoid any potential complications during the transition. The IRS treats rolled-over 457 funds as regular IRA money, and most states follow this treatment. But given that this involves a government 457 plan and an aggressive tax state, a consultation with a tax pro familiar with that specific state's rules would give you peace of mind. Better to spend a few hundred on advice now than deal with an audit later!
This is really solid advice, especially about documenting everything! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my husband works for a state agency but we live across the border. One thing I'd add - we found it helpful to get a written statement from the 457 plan administrator confirming that the rollover completely severs the connection to the original employer. Some plan administrators are more knowledgeable about multi-state tax implications than others, so it's worth asking specific questions about whether they report anything to the original state after rollover. Also, if you're working with a financial advisor for the rollover, make sure they understand the state tax implications - not all of them are familiar with the nuances of government 457 plans and aggressive state tax policies.
This is a great question that many government employees face! The general principle is that retirement distributions are taxed by your state of residence at the time of withdrawal, not where the money was originally earned. Once you roll the 457 into an IRA, it should be treated like any other IRA for tax purposes. However, since you mentioned High Tax State is aggressive with taxes, I'd recommend being extra careful about establishing and maintaining clear residency in your no-income-tax state. Some states have specific provisions for government retirement benefits, and you don't want to give them any reason to claim you as a resident. A few key steps: make sure all your official documents (driver's license, voter registration, bank accounts) are in your no-income-tax state, spend the majority of your time there, and keep good records. The rollover should effectively sever the connection to the original state, but documentation is your friend if questions ever arise. Given the complexity and the fact that this involves a government 457 plan from an aggressive tax state, it might be worth consulting with a tax professional who's familiar with multi-state retirement planning. A few hundred dollars in professional advice now could save you thousands in potential issues down the road.
This is excellent advice! I'm actually in a very similar situation - my wife works for a city government in what sounds like the same "High Tax State" while we live just across the border. We've been contributing to her 457(b) for years and have been wondering about this exact scenario. One thing I'd add from our research is that it's worth checking if your High Tax State has any specific "source rules" for government employee retirement income. We discovered that our state has some language in their tax code about government pensions that could potentially apply even after rollover, though it's not entirely clear. @b5091e91fd0f Have you come across any states that have successfully pursued former government employees for taxes on IRA distributions that originated from government 457 plans? I keep hearing conflicting information about whether the rollover truly provides complete protection or if there are edge cases where states have tried to maintain jurisdiction. We're planning to consult with a tax attorney who specializes in multi-state issues, but I'm curious if anyone has real-world experience with High Tax States actually pursuing this type of claim.
Does anyone know if FreeTaxUSA handles backdoor Roth conversions better than TurboTax? I'm about to do my first conversion and trying to decide which software to use.
Just wanted to add my experience for anyone else dealing with this confusion. I did my first backdoor Roth conversion last year and had the exact same panic when I saw the blank line 8 on Form 8606! What helped me understand it was realizing that the IRS views this as a "nondeductible contribution followed by a distribution" rather than a direct "conversion." So the form is structured to track your basis (the after-tax money you put in) and separate it from any earnings. In your case, you contributed $17,300 of after-tax money, it earned $7.25, and then you distributed $17,300 of it to convert to Roth. The $7.25 that's still sitting in your traditional IRA will be fully taxable if/when you convert it later since it's all earnings. One thing to keep in mind for future years - if you plan to do backdoor Roth conversions regularly, try to convert quickly after making the contribution to minimize any earnings that build up. Makes the tax reporting much cleaner!
This is really helpful! I'm planning to do my first backdoor Roth conversion next year and was wondering about the timing. How quickly should I convert after making the contribution? Is there a specific timeframe I should aim for, or is it more about just minimizing the earnings that accumulate? Also, does it matter if I make contributions for both the current tax year and prior tax year like the original poster did, or should I space those out differently?
Something similar happened to me and it turned out I had checked the wrong box on step 2 of the W4. I had checked 2(b) which is the "use the multiple jobs worksheet" option instead of 2(c) "if there is only one job total". This made the system think I needed to withhold at a higher rate to cover multiple jobs. Rookie mistake but easy to fix!
Which tax software do you recommend for figuring this stuff out? I've been using TurboTax but it doesn't really help with W4 planning during the year.
The W4 form definitely takes some getting used to after the old allowances system! Based on your situation, I'd suggest double-checking a few key areas: 1. **Step 1**: Make sure you selected "Married filing jointly" not "Single or Married filing separately" 2. **Step 2(c)**: Since your spouse doesn't work, you should check the box that says "If there is only one job total" 3. **Step 3**: Enter $2,000 for your child (qualifying children under 17 get the full Child Tax Credit) Missing any of these could easily cause the overwithholding you're experiencing. The good news is you can submit a corrected W4 to your payroll department anytime - it usually takes effect within 1-2 pay periods. For future reference, the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website is really helpful for getting your withholding dialed in perfectly. It walks you through your exact situation and tells you exactly what to put on each line of the W4. Don't worry about the money already over-withheld - you'll get it back as a refund when you file your taxes!
This is such great advice! I'm a newcomer here but dealing with a similar situation after starting my first "real" job out of college. The W4 form is honestly so confusing compared to what I expected. Quick question - when you submit a corrected W4, do you need to give any explanation to HR about why you're changing it, or do they just process it without questions? I'm a bit embarrassed that I messed it up initially and don't want to seem incompetent to my new employer. Also, is there a way to estimate how much extra I might get per paycheck once the correction takes effect? I'm trying to budget better and it would be helpful to know roughly what to expect.
Don't forget about tax treaties! Depending on what country you're from, there might be provisions in the tax treaty between your home country and the US that could affect your tax status. Some treaties have special rules for students that extend beyond the normal 5-year exemption period. Worth checking if your country has such provisions!
This is an excellent point. I'm from India and our tax treaty with the US allowed me to maintain non-resident status for 2 additional years beyond the standard 5-year exemption as a student. Saved me thousands on taxes from my foreign investments.
This is such a common confusion for people with complex visa histories! I went through something very similar a few years ago. One thing that might help clarify your situation: the IRS has a specific worksheet in Publication 519 (U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens) that walks you through determining your status step by step. It's called the "Substantial Presence Test" worksheet and includes special calculations for students. Since you mentioned TurboTax classified you as a resident but you expected to be non-resident, I'd recommend double-checking a few things: 1. Did you file Form 8843 in previous years (2013-2016)? This form is required for exempt individuals and helps establish your exemption history. 2. Make sure to count ALL days of physical presence, including partial days (arrival/departure days count as full days for the test). 3. Check if your home country has a tax treaty with the US that might provide additional student exemptions beyond the standard 5 years. The good news is that if you determine you filed incorrectly, you can always amend your return. But getting it right the first time will save you hassle later! Also, keep detailed records of your entry/exit dates - I-94 records are available online and can help you reconstruct your presence history accurately.
This is really helpful advice! I didn't realize there was a specific worksheet in Publication 519 - I'll definitely check that out. Quick question about the I-94 records you mentioned - are those automatically generated every time you enter/exit the US? I'm trying to piece together my exact dates from 2013-2016 and some of my passport stamps are a bit faded. Would the online I-94 system have records going back that far, or do they only keep recent entries? Also, regarding Form 8843 - I honestly don't remember if I filed this during my previous stay. I was pretty young and my tax situation was simple then (no US income). If I didn't file it back then, could that affect my current exemption status or ability to claim those years as exempt?
Ethan Wilson
Don't forget to keep detailed records of ALL your home improvements and renovations! I see you mentioned doing some work that would adjust your basis upward. Things like new flooring, kitchen renovations, bathroom upgrades, HVAC systems, roofing, windows, and even some landscaping can all increase your cost basis and reduce your taxable gain. We kept receipts for everything over the years and it reduced our gain by about $45,000 when we sold. The IRS requires documentation, so make sure you have invoices, permits, and proof of payment. Regular maintenance doesn't count, but actual improvements that add value or extend the life of your home do. With your $210,000 gain being well under the $500,000 joint exclusion anyway, this might not change your tax situation, but it's always good to have everything properly documented.
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Miguel Castro
ā¢This is such great advice! I wish I had known this when my parents sold their house a few years ago. They had done tons of improvements over the years but didn't keep good records. Can you clarify what counts as an "improvement" versus maintenance? For example, would replacing old carpet with new carpet count, or does it have to be an upgrade like going from carpet to hardwood? Also, do you know if there's a minimum dollar amount for improvements to count toward basis adjustment?
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Aisha Jackson
ā¢Great question! The IRS distinguishes between repairs (maintenance) and improvements based on whether the work adds value, prolongs the useful life, or adapts the property for new uses. Replacing old carpet with new carpet of similar quality would typically be considered maintenance, but upgrading from carpet to hardwood flooring would be an improvement since it adds value. There's no minimum dollar amount - even smaller improvements count toward basis adjustment as long as they're actual improvements rather than routine maintenance. Some examples: replacing a roof is an improvement, but patching a few shingles is maintenance. Installing a new HVAC system is an improvement, but replacing a filter is maintenance. Adding a deck, finishing a basement, or installing new windows all count as improvements. The key test is whether the work makes the property better than it was before, not just restoring it to its original condition. Keep receipts for everything - even a $500 improvement can help reduce your taxable gain!
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Rita Jacobs
Looking at your numbers, you're actually in a great position! With a $210,000 gain and the $500,000 married filing jointly exclusion, you shouldn't owe any capital gains tax on this sale regardless of whether you file jointly or separately. The math works out the same either way since your gain is well under both the $500k joint limit and would be under the combined $500k if you each claimed $250k separately on your respective halves. However, I'd strongly recommend filing jointly anyway. You'll likely get better overall tax treatment on your other income, and you won't have to deal with the restrictions that come with married filing separately (like both spouses having to itemize or both taking standard deduction, income limits on various credits, etc.). The real value here is making sure you document all those renovations properly to maximize your basis adjustment. Even though you're already under the exclusion limit, having good records protects you if the IRS ever questions the numbers, and it's a good habit for future property transactions.
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