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QuantumQuasar

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Just want to point out that the IRS can refile the Notice of Federal Tax Lien during the 10-year period, which extends the time the lien affects your aunt's credit report and encumbers the property. Also, if the IRS files suit before the CSED expires, they can get a judgment that lasts WAY longer than 10 years. My suggestion would be to at least explore an installment agreement that your aunt can afford. Even small payments show good faith and might prevent the IRS from taking more aggressive collection actions while you figure out a long-term strategy. Just be aware that some installment agreements require you to extend the CSED.

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But if she's only living on retirement income, isn't that protected from IRS garnishment anyway? I thought IRAs and 401ks had some special protection.

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Derek Olson

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@Keisha Jackson You re'partially right, but it s'not that simple. While 401k funds are generally protected from creditors while they re'IN the account, once distributed they become regular income that the IRS can levy. The IRS has broad collection powers and can garnish wages, bank accounts, and other income sources. However, there are some protections for retirees. Social Security benefits have strong protections though (the IRS can still levy them in certain cases ,)and there are necessary "living expense allowances" that might protect some retirement income. But if your aunt has significant assets like the house she lives in, the IRS could potentially force a sale to satisfy the debt. This is exactly why getting professional advice is so important - the interaction between retirement income, asset protection, and tax collection is complex and very fact-specific.

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Your aunt's situation is definitely complex, and the "wait it out" strategy has both merits and serious risks that need careful consideration. While the 10-year Collection Statute Expiration Date (CSED) is real, there are several factors that could make this approach backfire. First, let me echo what others have said about tolling events - these can significantly extend the 10-year period. Since your aunt is still on the mortgage for multiple properties, the IRS has substantial leverage and may be more aggressive in their collection efforts before the CSED expires. Given that she's in her late 60s and stressed about losing her home, I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a tax professional who specializes in collections. The fact that she's primarily living on 401k distributions might actually work in her favor for certain relief programs or settlement options. A few specific considerations for your aunt: - Her age and income source might make her a good candidate for Currently Not Collectible status or a partial payment installment agreement - If she can prove financial hardship, an Offer in Compromise might settle the debt for much less than $230k - The stress and uncertainty of waiting 6+ more years (assuming 2017 assessments) might not be worth it compared to resolving it now I'd suggest getting the exact CSED dates from the IRS directly and having a collections specialist review all her options before committing to the waiting strategy. Sometimes proactive resolution, even if it costs something upfront, provides better long-term financial and emotional outcomes.

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Oliver Becker

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This is really helpful advice, especially the point about Currently Not Collectible status. I hadn't heard of that option before. Given that my aunt is essentially living on a fixed retirement income and is in her late 60s, this might be exactly what she needs to explore. The stress factor you mentioned is huge - she's been losing sleep over this for months, and the uncertainty of waiting 6+ more years while worrying about losing her home is taking a real toll on her health. Sometimes peace of mind is worth more than saving money. Do you know if Currently Not Collectible status would stop the liens from affecting her credit or her ability to refinance if rates improve? And would pursuing that status trigger any of those tolling events that could extend the 10-year period?

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Laura Lopez

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Has anyone actually used the Multiple Jobs Worksheet on the W-4? I tried following it and got completely confused by step 2. Is there a simpler way to handle this?

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Ethan Scott

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The Multiple Jobs Worksheet can definitely be confusing. The simplest approach is just checking the box in Step 2(c) on both W-4 forms. It's slightly less accurate but way easier. This tells each employer to withhold at a higher single rate. If your jobs have very different salaries though (like yours do - $57k vs $19k), using the IRS Withholding Estimator online will give you more accurate results. It takes about 10-15 minutes but walks you through everything.

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Ellie Simpson

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I'm in a similar situation with multiple jobs and found that the key is understanding that each employer withholds taxes as if that's your only income. This usually results in under-withholding when you add up your total tax liability. Here's what worked for me: I used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator (it's free on the IRS website) and entered information for both jobs. It calculated that I needed to have an additional $150 per month withheld from my higher-paying job to avoid owing at tax time. The estimator will tell you exactly what to put in each section of your W-4 forms. For most people with two jobs, you'll end up putting an extra dollar amount in Step 4(c) "Extra withholding" on one of your W-4s (usually the higher-paying job). Don't forget to update your withholding if either job's income changes significantly throughout the year. I learned this the hard way when my part-time hours increased and I ended up owing $800 at tax time!

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AstroAce

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This is super helpful! I'm in almost the exact same boat as the original poster with similar income levels. Did you find that $150 extra per month was enough, or did you have to adjust it again later? Also, when you say "if either job's income changes significantly" - what would you consider significant? Like if my part-time hours go from 15 to 20 hours a week, is that worth recalculating? I've been putting off dealing with this but reading everyone's experiences here is making me realize I really need to get my W-4s sorted out before I end up owing a bunch at tax time like you did.

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Ravi Sharma

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This is a really comprehensive discussion! One additional consideration I haven't seen mentioned is the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) implications. If you're subject to AMT, the mortgage interest deduction rules can be slightly different, especially for refinances that exceed the original purchase price. Also, since you mentioned the property needs work, be aware that if you use any of the cash-out funds for capital improvements (not just repairs), you'll want to keep detailed records of those expenses. Capital improvements can be added to your cost basis, which reduces capital gains if you sell later. The IRS distinguishes between repairs (deductible in the year incurred if it's a rental property) and improvements (added to basis), so proper categorization matters. One more tip: consider getting a formal appraisal done right after you complete the initial repairs but before you refinance. This establishes the improved value and can help with both the refinance process and your tax documentation.

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Great point about the AMT implications - that's something I hadn't even considered! As someone new to real estate investing, this whole thread has been incredibly helpful. The distinction between repairs and capital improvements is especially important since I'm planning some updates that could go either way depending on how they're classified. Quick question about the formal appraisal timing you mentioned - would getting it done right after repairs but before refinancing potentially help me qualify for a larger loan amount? Or is it mainly just for documentation purposes? I'm trying to figure out if the extra appraisal cost would be worth it beyond just having good records. Also, does anyone know if there are specific AMT thresholds where the mortgage interest deduction gets affected? I might be close to that income level depending on how this year goes.

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Aisha Khan

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Getting the appraisal after repairs could definitely help with your loan amount! Lenders base their loan-to-value ratio on the appraised value, so if the repairs significantly increased the property's worth, you might qualify for a larger cash-out amount. Just make sure the timing works with your lender's requirements. Regarding AMT, the thresholds for 2023 are $81,300 for single filers and $126,500 for married filing jointly. Above these amounts, you start getting into AMT territory. The mortgage interest deduction generally isn't affected under AMT for acquisition debt (which is what yours would be), but home equity debt used for non-home purposes gets disallowed under AMT just like regular tax. One thing to watch out for - if your income is high enough to trigger AMT, you might also be subject to the Net Investment Income Tax (3.8%) if this becomes a rental property later. Something to keep in mind for long-term planning.

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One more consideration that hasn't been mentioned is the timing of your mortgage interest payments for tax purposes. Since you're doing this in two phases (cash purchase, then refinance), make sure you understand when your first mortgage payment will be due and how that affects your current tax year deductions. If you close on the refinance late in the year, you might only have a few months of interest payments to deduct for that tax year. Conversely, if you do this early in the year, you'll get the full benefit. This timing can be especially important if you're close to the standard deduction threshold that others mentioned. Also, don't forget to factor in the closing costs for the refinance. Some of these (like points paid) may be deductible immediately or over the life of the loan, depending on your situation. The loan origination fees and points on a refinance are typically amortized over the loan term rather than deducted in year one, unlike points paid on an original purchase mortgage. Keep all your closing statements from both transactions - the IRS may want to see the paper trail showing the connection between your cash purchase and subsequent refinance if they ever question the deduction.

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This is exactly the kind of detail I was hoping to get! The timing aspect is crucial since I'm planning to do this in early 2024. Getting a full year of interest deductions versus just a few months could make a real difference in whether itemizing beats the standard deduction. The point about closing costs and points being treated differently on refinances versus original purchases is something my lender didn't explain clearly. So if I pay points on the refinance, those get spread out over the loan term rather than deducted immediately? That could change my cost-benefit analysis for paying points upfront. One follow-up question - you mentioned keeping closing statements from both transactions. Should I also keep receipts for the repair work I'm doing between purchase and refinance? I'm assuming those repairs help justify the property value increase for the refinance, but I'm not sure if they're relevant for the interest deduction itself.

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Sofia Morales

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation to you, Luca - just started a new job with a 401k and already have a Roth IRA. Reading through everyone's responses has really clarified the strategy for me. What I found most valuable is the consensus on contribution order: employer match first (free money!), then max the Roth IRA for flexibility, then back to maxing the 401k. The point about having both pre-tax and post-tax retirement savings for tax diversification in retirement is something I hadn't really considered before. One thing I'd add for anyone else reading this - make sure to check if your employer offers any additional benefits like HSA contributions if you have a high-deductible health plan. HSAs have triple tax advantages and can be another great retirement savings vehicle on top of your 401k and IRA. Also, don't forget to actually invest the money once it's in your accounts! I made the mistake of contributing to my IRA for months before realizing the money was just sitting in a settlement fund earning basically nothing. Make sure you're actually purchasing investments, not just making contributions. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge here - this is exactly the kind of practical advice that makes a real difference!

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Sofia, you bring up such a great point about HSAs! I totally forgot about that option. The triple tax advantage (deductible contributions, tax-free growth, and tax-free withdrawals for qualified medical expenses) makes HSAs incredibly powerful for retirement planning. Plus, after age 65, you can withdraw for any purpose and just pay regular income tax like a traditional IRA. Your point about actually investing the money is spot on too - I see this mistake all the time! People think they're "investing" when they're really just parking money in a cash settlement account earning 0.01%. Whether it's a 401k, IRA, or HSA, you need to take that extra step to actually purchase the investments. For anyone new to this, most target-date funds are a solid "set it and forget it" option if you're not sure where to start with investment selection. They automatically adjust the risk level as you get closer to retirement. You can always get more sophisticated with your investment strategy later as you learn more. Thanks for adding those important details! It's amazing how much there is to consider when you're first getting serious about retirement planning.

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Dmitry Petrov

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You're asking all the right questions, and yes - you can absolutely max out both accounts! The $23k 401k limit and $7k Roth IRA limit are completely separate, so at your $85k income you're well positioned to take advantage of both. I love that you're thinking about this early in your career. Here's what I'd suggest based on your situation: 1. First priority: Contribute enough to get your full employer match (sounds like 6% based on your comment) - this is free money you can't afford to leave on the table 2. Build/maintain an emergency fund if you haven't already - you want 3-6 months of expenses saved before going all-in on retirement contributions 3. Max out your Roth IRA ($7k) - you'll have way more investment options than most 401k plans, plus the flexibility to withdraw contributions if absolutely necessary 4. Then go back and max your 401k if your budget allows The math works out to about $2,500/month total if you max both accounts. That might be aggressive on an $85k salary depending on your other expenses, so don't feel like you have to hit those maximums immediately. Start with what's sustainable and increase over time as your income grows. One practical tip: set up automatic contributions so you never have to think about it. Your 401k can be a percentage of each paycheck, and you can automate the IRA transfer right after payday. Makes it much easier to stay consistent! You're way ahead of most people just by asking these questions. Even if you start smaller and work up to the maximums, the compound growth over time will be incredible.

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Sean Flanagan

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This is such a helpful summary, Dmitry! As someone who's also just starting to navigate all this retirement planning stuff, I really appreciate how you've laid out the priorities so clearly. The step-by-step approach makes it feel much more manageable than trying to figure out everything at once. Your point about the $2,500/month total being potentially aggressive is really important. I was getting caught up in the idea of maxing everything out immediately, but you're absolutely right that it's better to start with something sustainable. Better to consistently contribute a smaller amount than to overcommit and have to scale back later. The automation tip is gold too - I can definitely see how setting it up once and then forgetting about it would make this so much easier to stick with long-term. Takes the decision-making and temptation out of the equation each month. Quick question though - when you mention building an emergency fund before going all-in on retirement contributions, do you think it's okay to do both simultaneously? Like getting the employer match while building up emergency savings, then ramping up retirement contributions once the emergency fund is solid? Or is it really better to fully fund the emergency account first?

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Zainab Khalil

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Real talk - get a CPA for this. I tried doing this myself last year and messed it up. Had to pay penalties and interest. With the depreciation recapture, capital gains, and figuring out improvement vs repair classification - it's complicated and the stakes are high with that much money on the line. I spent maybe $400 on a CPA who specializes in real estate and she saved me over $5k compared to what I would have filed. She knew exactly how to handle the pre-sale improvements and found deductions I didn't even know existed.

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I went through this exact same situation when I sold my rental property last year. The key thing to understand is that those pre-sale renovations you described - new kitchen, roof, floors, etc. - are definitely capital improvements that get added to your basis, not deducted as current expenses. Your math looks correct: $237,000 adjusted basis + $47,000 improvements = $284,000 new basis. Sale price of $415,000 minus $284,000 = $131,000 capital gain (plus you'll owe depreciation recapture tax on that $33,000 at 25%). On your tax return, you'll report this on Form 4797 Part I for the sale of rental property, then it flows to Schedule D. The $47,000 doesn't appear as a separate line item - it's just part of your total adjusted basis calculation. Make sure you keep detailed records of all those improvement receipts because the IRS may want to see them if you're audited. One thing that caught me off guard was the depreciation recapture - that $33,000 gets taxed at 25% regardless of your capital gains rate, so budget for that additional tax hit!

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Dmitry Popov

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to rental property taxation and wasn't sure about the depreciation recapture part. When you say it gets taxed at 25% regardless of capital gains rate - does that mean if my regular capital gains rate would be 15%, I still pay 25% on that $33,000 depreciation? And does that 25% apply to the full amount or just the gain portion?

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