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Has anyone dealt with clients who opted in to PTE tax mid-year? My client made the election in October 2024 for the 2024 tax year, but we had already been making quarterly distributions based on prior treatment. Trying to figure out how to retroactively adjust those distributions in the books vs. tax treatment.
We've handled this by treating it as a reclassification of prior distributions rather than a new distribution. So the quarterly distributions stay the same from a cash flow perspective, but on the final financials, you reclass the appropriate portion as "PTE tax" rather than "distributions" for the full year presentation. Then follow the same M-1/M-2 treatment others described above.
This is exactly the type of complex book-tax difference that trips up even experienced practitioners! I've been dealing with similar PTE tax issues across multiple states this season. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given - make sure you're documenting the treatment clearly in your workpapers. I create a separate schedule that shows the flow: 1) Book treatment (distribution), 2) Tax treatment (deduction), 3) M-1 adjustment (add back), 4) M-2 offset (other addition to AAA). This helps during reviews and if you ever get questioned. Also, don't forget to consider the impact on each shareholder's basis calculations. The PTE tax deduction flows through and increases their basis, while the book distribution treatment doesn't affect basis at all. So you need to make sure the K-1 preparation reflects the tax treatment, not the book treatment, for basis purposes. For states like California and New York that have different timing rules for the PTE tax election, this gets even more complicated. Each state may require slightly different book-tax reconciliation approaches.
This is really helpful documentation advice! I'm definitely going to start creating that separate schedule you mentioned. Quick question - when you say the PTE tax deduction increases shareholder basis, does this apply even when the entity treated it as a distribution for book purposes? I want to make sure I'm not missing something on the K-1 flow-through effects. Also, do you have any experience with how this interacts with debt basis for shareholders who have loans to the S-corp? I'm wondering if the deduction increasing basis could affect the order of basis restoration.
Just wanted to share my experience since I worked through this exact issue. After much research, I learned that when filing my 2024 return with a dealer-transferred Clean Vehicle Credit, I needed to: 1. Complete Form 8936 Part IV fully, including Line 13b with the $4,000 amount 2. On Schedule 3, manually override the software to show $0 for this credit 3. Attach a statement with this exact wording: "Taxpayer qualified for Clean Vehicle Credit as shown on Form 8936. Per IRC Section 6418, credit was transferred to dealer at time of purchase on [DATE] as documented by attached dealer certification. Credit amount of $4,000 was already received as reduction in vehicle purchase price and is not being claimed again on this return." I also included copies of my dealer certification and IRS acknowledgment letter with my return. Filed this way in February and received my refund without any issues or follow-up questions from the IRS.
Thank you all for sharing your experiences with this Form 8936 dealer transfer issue! As someone who's been following this thread closely, I wanted to add a few additional points that might help others: 1. **Documentation is key** - Make sure you keep copies of ALL paperwork from the dealer transfer, including the dealer certification form, your purchase agreement showing the credit applied, and any IRS acknowledgment letters. These will be crucial if you're ever audited. 2. **Software limitations** - Many tax preparation software packages haven't been updated to handle dealer transfers properly yet. If your software doesn't allow you to override the Schedule 3 amount or add explanatory statements, you may need to file manually or switch to a different program. 3. **State tax considerations** - Don't forget to check if your state has any additional reporting requirements for transferred federal credits. Some states require you to report these even if you're not claiming them again. 4. **Timing matters** - The IRS is still processing these new dealer transfer procedures, so be patient if your return takes longer than usual to process. The good news is that based on everyone's experiences here, they seem to be accepting properly documented returns without issues. The consensus seems clear: complete Form 8936 to show eligibility, don't double-claim on Schedule 3, and attach a detailed explanation. Thanks especially to @Ethan Wilson for that specific statement wording - that's exactly what many of us needed!
This is incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with this exact situation and was getting overwhelmed by all the conflicting advice I found online. Your point about state tax considerations is something I hadn't even thought about - I'll need to check what my state requires. One quick question for anyone who's been through this: if I used @Ethan Wilson s'statement wording but my credit amount was $3,500 instead of $4,000, should I just substitute that amount in the statement, or is there other language I should adjust too? Also, has anyone dealt with a situation where the dealer transfer happened in December 2024 but you didn t'receive the IRS acknowledgment letter until January 2025? I m'wondering if that affects how I should document things on my 2024 return.
Don't forget to check if your state has additional tax breaks beyond the federal ones! I live in Oregon and we have additional credits and deductions at the state level that saved me about $350 last year. Most tax software covers this but sometimes they miss state-specific breaks.
This is so true. I'm in Illinois and discovered we have a specific education expense credit that's separate from the federal ones. Might be worth looking into whatever state you're in.
As someone who recently went through this same confusion, I'd recommend starting with the basics that will likely apply to your situation. Since you're taking community college classes, definitely look into the American Opportunity Tax Credit or Lifetime Learning Credit - these can be worth up to $2,500 and $2,000 respectively and are actual credits (not just deductions). Also check if you paid any student loan interest during the year - you can deduct up to $2,500 of that even if you don't itemize. And if you moved for work or had any unreimbursed work expenses (like uniforms, tools, etc.), those might be deductible too. TurboTax will catch the obvious ones if you answer the questions correctly, but it's worth double-checking because sometimes the questions are confusing or you might not realize something qualifies. The IRS website has some good worksheets and tools to help you figure out what applies to your specific situation.
I'm currently dealing with a Form 1045 situation myself and this thread has been incredibly helpful. Filed mine in August 2024 after a major business loss, so I'm about 5 months in now. Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like I should expect at least another month or two before seeing any movement. The frustrating part is the complete lack of communication from the IRS - you just have to sit and wait with no updates. One question for those who've been through this: did any of you receive any kind of acknowledgment letter or notice that your Form 1045 was received and being processed? I sent mine certified mail but never got anything back confirming they actually have it in their system. Also curious if anyone tried checking the "Where's My Refund" tool online - does that even work for 1045 applications or is it only for regular tax returns?
I went through the same thing last year with my Form 1045 - you won't get any acknowledgment letter that they received it, which is really frustrating. The IRS doesn't send confirmation notices for 1045 applications like they do for regular returns. The "Where's My Refund" tool unfortunately doesn't work for Form 1045 either - it's only designed for regular tax return refunds. So you're basically flying blind until they either send your refund or contact you if there's an issue. Since you sent it certified mail, at least you have proof of delivery. That's really important because if it gets lost in their system, you'll need that tracking info. I'd recommend keeping that certified mail receipt handy - you might need it if you have to call them later to track down your application. The radio silence is definitely the worst part of this whole process. Most people I know who filed 1045s didn't hear anything until their refund check showed up or they got a notice asking for additional information.
I'm about 7 months into waiting for my Form 1045 processing after filing in September 2024. Reading through everyone's experiences here is both reassuring and frustrating - at least I know I'm not alone in this endless waiting game. One thing I learned the hard way is to make absolutely sure you include every single supporting document when you file. I initially forgot to include one of my K-1 schedules from a partnership loss, and when I realized the mistake a few weeks later, I had to send an amended 1045 which basically reset my processing clock back to zero. For anyone just starting this process, my advice would be to triple-check everything before mailing it in. Have someone else review your calculations and documentation because any missing piece can add months to an already lengthy process. Also, keep meticulous records of exactly what you sent and when. I created a checklist of every form, schedule, and supporting document, plus took photos of the complete package before sealing the envelope. If you end up having to call the IRS later, you'll need to be able to tell them exactly what was included in your original submission. The wait is excruciating, especially when it's a substantial refund, but based on what I'm seeing here, most people do eventually get their money. Just prepare yourself mentally for 6-8 months minimum.
This is really helpful advice about the documentation - I'm just starting to prepare my Form 1045 and hadn't thought about creating a detailed checklist like that. The idea of taking photos of everything before mailing is brilliant too. Quick question - when you had to send the amended 1045, did you have to start completely over or were you able to reference your original submission somehow? I'm worried about making a similar mistake and want to understand what happens if you need to correct something after filing. Also, did the IRS ever acknowledge that they received your amended version, or was it the same radio silence as the original filing?
Liam O'Sullivan
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a tax professional and see this confusion all the time with small business clients. Just wanted to add a few clarifications that might help: 1) The $600 threshold for PayPal's 1099-K reporting is actually quite recent - it was lowered from the previous threshold of $20,000 AND 200+ transactions. This change has created a lot of confusion. 2) One thing to watch out for: if you pay a vendor BOTH through PayPal AND through other methods (direct deposit, checks, etc.) in the same year, you need to track the total. If the non-PayPal payments alone reach $600+, you'd still need to issue a 1099-NEC for just those direct payments. 3) For anyone still unsure about their specific situation, I always recommend keeping detailed records of ALL payment methods used for each vendor. This makes it much easier to determine your 1099 obligations and avoid the double-reporting nightmare that @Aisha Mahmood experienced. The key principle is that each payment method has its own reporting responsibility - PayPal handles their portion, you handle direct payments. Never overlap!
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AstroAce
β’This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was hoping to find! Thank you @Liam O'Sullivan for breaking down those key points. The clarification about the recent threshold change really explains why there's so much conflicting information out there - a lot of the older guidance people are finding online is probably based on the old $20,000/200+ transaction rule. Your point about tracking mixed payment methods is crucial. I actually have a few contractors where I started the year paying them via PayPal but then switched to direct bank transfers later for larger projects. I need to go back and calculate whether those direct payments alone hit the $600 threshold, even though their total compensation for the year was much higher when including the PayPal payments. The "never overlap" principle is going to be my new mantra for 1099 reporting. It seems like the biggest mistake people make is trying to report everything themselves instead of understanding which payments are already being reported by third parties. Really appreciate the professional perspective!
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Carmen Ortiz
This has been such an enlightening discussion! As someone who's been running a small consulting business for three years, I wish I had found this information sooner. I've been manually issuing 1099s for ALL my vendor payments, including PayPal ones, because my previous accountant told me "it's better to over-report than under-report." Reading about @Aisha Mahmood's experience with angry contractors receiving duplicate forms really hits home - I've had a few vendors question why they were getting 1099s from me when PayPal already sent them 1099-Ks. I thought I was being thorough, but apparently I was just creating confusion and extra work for everyone involved. The professional breakdown from @Liam O'Sullivan about the recent threshold changes makes so much sense. No wonder there's conflicting advice everywhere - the rules literally changed! I'm definitely going to audit my 2024 payments using the guidelines discussed here and make sure I'm not double-reporting for this tax season. One question for the group: for those of you who switched to letting PayPal handle the 1099-K reporting, did you notify your vendors about the change? I'm wondering if I should send a brief email explaining that they'll receive their 1099 directly from PayPal this year instead of from me, just to avoid any confusion.
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