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This entire discussion has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a hybrid situation where my business does both product sales and services, so I've been completely confused about when to use Form 1125-A versus just putting everything on Schedule C. Reading through everyone's experiences, I think I finally understand the key distinction. For my business, I sell handmade jewelry (physical products with inventory) AND offer custom design consultations (pure service). For the jewelry side, materials like silver wire, beads, clasps, and even the small jewelry boxes I put finished pieces in would go on Form 1125-A since they're directly incorporated into the final products I sell. But my design software subscription, business cards, website hosting, and consultation fees would all be Schedule C operating expenses. Melina's "100 more units" test is perfect for this - if I made 100 more necklaces, I'd need 100 more sets of materials and packaging, but I wouldn't need 100 times more website hosting or business insurance. The real lightbulb moment for me was Yara's point about service businesses often not needing Form 1125-A at all. For my consultation work, there's no inventory or direct production costs, so those revenues and related expenses stay entirely on Schedule C. Thank you everyone for sharing your real-world examples - this has been way more helpful than any official IRS publication I've tried to read!
Your hybrid business situation is exactly what I'm dealing with too! I run a small bakery where I sell both pre-made items (cookies, muffins) and custom cakes for events. Reading your jewelry example really helped me think through my own categorization issues. For my pre-made items, ingredients like flour, sugar, eggs, and packaging boxes would be Form 1125-A costs since they directly go into each product. But for custom cake consultations and design work, those would be pure service revenue on Schedule C with related expenses like design software and client meeting costs. The "100 more units" test is going to be my go-to from now on - it's so much clearer than trying to parse the technical IRS language. If I baked 100 more cookies, I'd need proportionally more ingredients and packaging, but my commercial kitchen rent and business license fees would stay the same. Thanks for breaking down your hybrid approach - it's reassuring to know other businesses face this same complexity and that there's a logical way to think through it!
This has been such an enlightening discussion! As someone who just started a small business this year, I was completely overwhelmed by Form 1125-A and had no idea what qualified for Line 5 "Other Costs." The real-world examples from Melina's furniture business and Cass's jewelry/consultation hybrid really drove home the core concept for me. I keep coming back to that "100 more units" test - it's such a practical way to distinguish between direct production costs (Form 1125-A) and general operating expenses (Schedule C). What I found most valuable was learning that many service-based businesses don't even need Form 1125-A at all. I was stressing about this form for my tutoring business, but since I don't have any physical inventory or raw materials, all my expenses (books, supplies, software subscriptions) just go on Schedule C as regular business expenses. For anyone else feeling overwhelmed by this form, I'd definitely recommend starting with the inventory question that several people mentioned: Do you track raw materials or finished goods from year to year? If not, you might be able to skip 1125-A entirely and focus on properly categorizing expenses on Schedule C instead. The documentation point from CyberSiren about keeping detailed records is also crucial - especially if you do have legitimate "Other Costs" for Line 5. The last thing anyone wants is an audit because of unclear expense categorization!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with a twist - I'm planning to gift to both UGMA accounts AND a 529 plan for each child. From what I understand, 529 contributions always qualify for the annual exclusion since the beneficiary (or their parent/guardian) can request distributions at any time, even if there are penalties for non-qualified expenses. So I could potentially do $18,000 to a 529 plan (qualifying for annual exclusion) plus additional amounts to UGMA accounts set to terminate at 25 (using lifetime exemption) if I want that extra control. Has anyone here structured their gifting this way? I'm trying to figure out if there are any coordination issues between the two types of accounts that I should be aware of, especially when it comes to financial aid calculations later on. The annual gifting strategy that Zoe mentioned is really smart too - I might combine that approach with 529 funding to maximize my annual exclusions while still building substantial education funds.
Your approach with combining 529 and UGMA funding is really smart! You're absolutely right that 529 contributions qualify for the annual exclusion since distributions can be requested anytime (even with penalties). One thing to keep in mind for financial aid - UGMA/UTMA accounts are considered the student's assets and hit financial aid eligibility much harder (20% assessment rate) compared to parent-owned 529 plans (5.64% assessment rate). So if maximizing financial aid is important, you might want to weight more heavily toward 529 plans. Also, if you go the route of UGMA accounts terminating at 25 using your lifetime exemption, consider whether the amounts justify the complexity. With the current lifetime exemption being so high ($13+ million), using some of it might not be a big concern unless you're dealing with a very large estate. The annual gifting strategy Zoe mentioned could work really well combined with 529 funding - maybe $10K annually to UGMA (terminating at 21) plus $8K to 529, staying within your $18K annual exclusion while building both types of accounts over time.
This is such a valuable thread - thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and knowledge! As someone who's been wrestling with similar gifting decisions, I wanted to add one more consideration that might be helpful. If you're looking at larger gift amounts and are concerned about the complexity of trusts but still want more control than standard UGMA/UTMA accounts provide, some states offer "Enhanced UGMA" or "UGMA Plus" accounts. These allow you to set specific distribution schedules (like 1/3 at 21, 1/3 at 25, 1/3 at 30) while still potentially qualifying for annual exclusion treatment, depending on how they're structured. The key is that the first distribution must occur at 21 to maintain present interest status, but subsequent distributions can be delayed. It's like a middle ground between the simplicity of regular UGMA accounts and the complexity of formal trusts. Not all custodians offer these enhanced options, so you'd need to shop around. But it might be worth exploring if you want more control than age 21 termination but less complexity than setting up formal trusts for each beneficiary. Has anyone here worked with these enhanced UGMA products? I'd be curious to hear about real-world experiences with them.
Does the 92.35% ever change? Like does Congress adjust this percentage sometimes or has it been the same forever? Just curious if I need to check this number every year.
It's been 92.35% for as long as I can remember. This percentage comes from 100% minus 7.65% (which is the employer portion of FICA taxes). Since these tax rates have been stable for many years, the 92.35% figure hasn't changed. Unless there's a major tax reform that changes how self-employment taxes work, you can probably count on this number staying the same. But always double-check the current year's instructions just to be safe!
Great explanation from everyone here! As someone who's been self-employed for about 5 years now, I can confirm that understanding Schedule SE gets much easier once you grasp that 92.35% concept. One thing I'd add for Gabriel - don't forget about the additional Medicare tax if your self-employment income gets higher in future years. Once your combined wages and self-employment income exceed $200,000 (or $250,000 if married filing jointly), there's an additional 0.9% Medicare tax that applies. It doesn't affect the 92.35% calculation, but it's something to be aware of as your freelance business grows. Also, remember that you can deduct half of your self-employment tax as an adjustment to income on your Form 1040. This is separate from the 92.35% calculation but provides additional tax relief. The IRS basically recognizes that as a self-employed person, you're paying both the employee and employer portions of these taxes, so they give you this deduction to help level the playing field. Keep good records of your business expenses like others mentioned - every legitimate deduction reduces both your income tax AND your self-employment tax burden!
This is really helpful context, especially about the additional Medicare tax threshold! I had no idea about that. Quick question - when you mention deducting "half of your self-employment tax" on Form 1040, is that calculated automatically by tax software or do I need to figure that out manually? I'm using TurboTax this year but want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Also, do you have any recommendations for tracking business expenses throughout the year? I've been pretty disorganized with receipts so far.
I had code 971 show up about 6 weeks ago and just got an update! Mine was related to the Earned Income Tax Credit - they wanted to verify my filing status and dependent info. I didn't have to send anything in, they just cross-referenced with other databases. Got code 846 (refund issued) yesterday so there's definitely light at the end of the tunnel. The key is checking your transcript every Friday when they update - you'll see movement eventually. Stay patient Derek, most of these reviews are just routine verification!
This gives me hope! 6 weeks isn't too bad and glad to hear it was just routine verification. I'll definitely start checking every Friday like you suggested. Did you notice any other codes show up before the 846 or did it just jump straight to refund issued? Trying to learn what to watch for on my transcript updates š¤
I'm dealing with the same thing right now - got code 971 about 2 weeks ago and it's driving me crazy not knowing what's happening! Reading through everyone's experiences here is actually really helpful though. Sounds like it could be anything from income verification to dependent issues. I filed pretty straightforward this year so hoping it's just routine like some of you mentioned. Going to start checking my transcript every Friday and maybe try calling the tax advocate line early morning like Seraphina suggested. Thanks for all the info everyone - this community is way more helpful than the IRS website! š
Same here! Just got code 971 last week and found this thread while frantically googling what it means š It's reassuring to see so many people have gone through this and eventually got their refunds. The waiting is definitely the hardest part - I keep refreshing my transcript like it's going to magically update! Going to follow everyone's advice about checking Fridays and maybe give that tax advocate number a try. Fingers crossed we all get our 846 codes soon! š¤
Amara Nnamani
Great question about state gift taxes! Only a handful of states actually have their own gift tax laws separate from federal. Connecticut and Minnesota are the main ones that come to mind, though the rules and thresholds can be different from federal. Most states don't have gift taxes at all - they just follow federal rules. But it's definitely worth checking your specific state's tax code or consulting with a local tax professional if you're dealing with larger gifts. For a $15,000 gift like the original poster mentioned, it would likely be under most state thresholds anyway, but always good to double-check! The state tax implications are usually much less of a concern than getting the federal documentation right.
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Luca Esposito
ā¢Thanks for clarifying the state tax situation! I was getting worried there might be additional complications I hadn't considered. It's reassuring to know that most states just follow federal rules. Since I'm in California, I'm assuming we don't have separate gift tax requirements, but I'll double-check just to be safe. The $15,000 gift should be well under any thresholds anyway, but better to verify than assume. Has anyone here dealt with California specifically? I'd rather not have any surprises when I file my taxes next year!
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Sara Hellquiem
California doesn't have a separate gift tax - you're good there! California follows federal gift tax rules, so as long as you're compliant federally (which you are with the $15,000 gift), there are no additional state requirements. I just went through this exact situation in California last year with a $20,000 gift from my parents for my house down payment. The only documentation I needed was the gift letter and bank statements showing the transfer, just like others have mentioned here. One tip specific to California home buyers - if you're planning to use this gift for a down payment, some of the state's first-time homebuyer programs have their own gift documentation requirements that can be slightly different from standard lender requirements. But for tax purposes, you're all set with just following federal guidelines. Keep that gift letter and your bank statements, and you'll be fine come tax time!
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Malik Robinson
ā¢That's super helpful to know about California! I'm actually looking into some of the state's first-time homebuyer programs, so I appreciate the heads up about potentially different documentation requirements. Do you happen to remember which programs had different requirements? I'm specifically looking at the CalHFA MyHome Assistance Program and want to make sure I'm prepared with the right paperwork when the time comes. It's such a relief to know that at least the tax side is straightforward - one less thing to stress about in an already complicated home buying process!
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