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Wait, could this actually be a case of the Recovery Rebate Credit affecting your refund amount? The missing $1000-ish sounds suspiciously like it could be related to one of the stimulus payments. Did you get all your stimulus payments directly in 2021/2022, or were you claiming any of them on your 2023 return?
The Recovery Rebate Credit isn't applicable for 2023 returns. The last stimulus payment that could be claimed was on 2021 returns. For 2023, it's more likely an earned income credit issue or possibly a premium tax credit reconciliation problem, especially if OP had marketplace insurance.
This is a really serious situation and I'm sorry you're dealing with this. The fact that she's refusing to give you copies of your own tax returns is absolutely unacceptable and highly suspicious - that's literally YOUR property that you paid for. Beyond the excellent advice already given about getting your tax transcripts and filing Form 14157-A, I'd strongly recommend documenting everything in writing. Create a timeline of all your interactions, save screenshots of any texts or emails where she refused to provide your returns, and keep records of all payments you made to her. You should also consider filing a police report for potential theft/fraud. If she did divert your refund money to another account, that's criminal behavior, not just a civil matter. Having a police report number can also strengthen your case with the IRS. One more thing - check your credit reports immediately. If she has access to your personal information and is willing to steal refund money, she might be using your identity for other fraudulent activities. You can get free credit reports from annualcreditreport.com. Don't let this slide - tax preparer fraud is unfortunately becoming more common, and the only way to stop these people is to pursue every available avenue to hold them accountable.
This is really solid advice, especially about filing a police report. I never would have thought of that, but you're absolutely right - if someone diverted refund money to an unauthorized account, that's theft plain and simple. The credit report check is also brilliant. If she's willing to steal tax refund money, who knows what else she might be doing with people's personal information. Better to be safe and monitor everything closely. One question though - when you file a police report for something like this, do you need concrete proof first, or can you file it based on suspicious circumstances? I'm asking because I might be in a similar situation with a different preparer who's been really sketchy about providing documentation.
I'm so sorry for your losses and the additional stress this tax preparer has caused during an already difficult time. What she did is completely unacceptable - claiming to file taxes when she didn't and then refusing to return your parents' documents. The advice about Form 4506-T is excellent, but I wanted to add that you should also request "Return Transcripts" (box 6) in addition to the wage and income transcripts. These will show if any returns were actually filed for 2020, which can help confirm that the preparer truly never submitted anything. Since you mentioned your parents always owed taxes because they were retired, they likely had pension distributions, Social Security, and possibly investment income. Make sure to contact their former employers' HR departments for W-2 reissues and any pension administrators for 1099-R forms. Many retirees forget about required minimum distributions from retirement accounts, which can create significant tax liability if missed. Given the complexity of dealing with two deceased taxpayers and potential penalties, I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who has experience with estate returns once you gather the documents. They can help ensure you don't miss any deductions or credits that might be available to reduce the tax burden. Document every attempt you make to resolve this - it will be crucial if you need to request penalty abatement from the IRS later. You're doing everything right by being so persistent in trying to get this resolved properly.
This is really comprehensive advice, especially about requesting the Return Transcripts to confirm nothing was actually filed! I hadn't thought about that verification step. Your point about pension distributions and RMDs is particularly relevant - my dad worked for the state for 30 years and had a pension, and both parents had IRAs that they were taking distributions from. I should definitely contact the state pension system and their IRA custodians directly. One question - when you mention consulting with a tax professional experienced with estate returns, should I wait until I have all the transcripts and documents gathered, or would it be beneficial to have an initial consultation now to make sure I'm requesting everything I need? I'm worried about missing something important in my document requests that would require starting over. Also, regarding the Return Transcripts showing if anything was filed for 2020 - if it confirms that nothing was submitted, does that change the timeline for filing or potential penalties? I know there are different rules for deceased taxpayers but I'm not sure how they apply when returns were never filed at all. Thank you for the encouragement about documenting everything. It helps to know that my persistence will actually matter if penalty relief becomes necessary.
I'd recommend having an initial consultation with a tax professional now, before you finish gathering all documents. They can guide you on exactly what transcripts and records to request, potentially saving you time and ensuring you don't miss anything critical. Regarding the timeline - if the Return Transcripts confirm nothing was filed for 2020, you're looking at filing very delinquent returns. For deceased taxpayers, the normal filing deadline still applies (April 15th following the tax year), but the failure-to-file penalties can be substantial. However, the reasonable cause provisions mentioned earlier become even more important in your case since you can demonstrate the preparer's misconduct caused the delay. The good news is that if your parents typically owed taxes and had withholding from pensions/Social Security, there might be refunds due that could offset penalties. After 3 years though (which has passed for 2020), any refunds would be forfeited, but this could still reduce the overall balance owed. One crucial point: make sure to file Form 56 (Notice Concerning Fiduciary Relationship) with the IRS as soon as possible if you haven't already. This formally establishes your authority as executor for all tax matters and ensures the IRS communicates directly with you about the estate's tax issues. The fact that you're being so thorough despite this terrible situation really speaks to your character. Your parents would be proud of how carefully you're handling their affairs.
I'm so sorry for the loss of both your parents and the additional stress this dishonest tax preparer has caused during such a difficult time. This situation is unfortunately more common than it should be. Based on the excellent advice already shared here, I'd recommend a multi-pronged approach: 1. **Immediate action**: File Form 56 (Notice Concerning Fiduciary Relationship) with the IRS if you haven't already - this establishes your legal authority as executor for all tax matters. 2. **Document retrieval**: Submit Form 4506-T requesting both wage/income transcripts AND account transcripts. The account transcripts will show any estimated tax payments your parents made, which could significantly reduce what's owed. 3. **Direct contact**: Reach out to all income sources directly - state pension system, IRA custodians, banks, and any former employers. As executor, you have the right to request duplicate tax documents, and most institutions keep records for 7+ years. 4. **Professional help**: Consider an initial consultation with a CPA or Enrolled Agent experienced in deceased taxpayer returns. They can ensure you're requesting all necessary documents and help navigate the penalty abatement process. 5. **State board complaint**: Definitely file a complaint against this tax preparer with your state's board of accountancy. Her conduct is highly unethical and the investigation may pressure her to return documents or at least officially acknowledge she lost them. Document every step you take - this persistence and good faith effort will be crucial if you need to request penalty relief later. The IRS has reasonable cause provisions specifically for situations like yours where the delay was caused by circumstances beyond your control.
This is such a thorough roadmap - thank you for laying it out so clearly! I feel like I finally have a concrete plan of action instead of just feeling overwhelmed by all the different pieces. I especially appreciate you mentioning Form 56 right up front. I've been focused on getting the tax documents but hadn't realized I needed to formally establish my executor authority with the IRS first. That seems like it could be causing delays in my other requests. Your point about the account transcripts potentially showing estimated payments is giving me some hope. My parents were very diligent about their finances, so it's entirely possible they made quarterly payments that I don't know about. That could make a huge difference in what's actually owed. I'm also relieved to see multiple people recommending the state board complaint. I've been hesitant because I didn't want to make the situation worse, but it sounds like it might actually help pressure her to return the documents (or at least officially acknowledge they're lost). One quick question - when filing Form 56, do I need to submit separate forms for each parent, or can one form cover both deceased taxpayers since I'm executor of both estates? Thank you for the encouragement about documenting everything. This community has given me so much hope that I can actually resolve this mess properly.
You'll need to file separate Form 56s for each parent since they're technically separate taxpayers with separate Social Security numbers, even though you're the executor for both estates. Each form should reference the specific deceased taxpayer's information. However, you can submit them together in the same envelope to the IRS, and many tax professionals recommend including a cover letter explaining that you're the executor for both estates. This helps the IRS understand the relationship between the two cases, which can be helpful for correspondence and processing. The good news is that once you establish your authority with both forms, all your subsequent transcript requests and communications will be much smoother. The IRS will have your executor status on file and won't question your right to access the information. Don't hesitate about filing that state board complaint - in my experience, these complaints often motivate preparers to suddenly "find" documents they claimed were lost, especially when they realize there could be professional licensing consequences. Even if the documents are truly gone, having the complaint on record strengthens your case for penalty relief with the IRS. You're handling an incredibly difficult situation with remarkable organization and persistence. Your systematic approach is exactly what's needed to get this resolved properly.
I actually just went through this process myself a few weeks ago! I had about $600 in Visa gift cards from the holidays and was able to use them successfully. Here's what worked for me: First, I registered each gift card online with my exact name and address that matches my tax return - this step is absolutely critical. Then I used PayUSAtax as my payment processor since they had slightly lower fees than the others (around 1.99% for my payment amount). One thing I learned the hard way - if you have multiple small gift cards, it might actually be more cost-effective to combine some purchases first to reduce the number of transactions and processing fees. I had five $100 cards and ended up paying the fee five separate times, which added up to about $60 in total fees. Also, make sure to do this well before your tax deadline. My first payment got held up for verification and took 3 business days to process, which would have been stressful if I'd waited until the last minute. The whole process is definitely doable, just plan ahead and budget for those processing fees when calculating how much you can actually put toward your tax bill!
@Eli Butler This is really helpful info! I m'curious about the verification hold you mentioned - what kind of verification did they need? I m'planning to use gift cards for my payment but I m'worried about delays since I m'already cutting it close to the deadline. Was it something you could have avoided or just a random security check?
@Alexander Zeus The verification hold happened because it was my first time using that payment processor and the payment amount was relatively large $600 (.)They sent me an email asking me to verify some basic info - just confirming my identity and that I authorized the payment. It took about 10 minutes to respond to their email, but then it took 3 business days for them to actually process the payment after that. I think you could potentially avoid it by using a smaller test payment first like ($50 a) week or two before your main payment, but honestly I m'not 100% sure. If you re'cutting it close to the deadline, I d'definitely recommend calling the payment processor directly to ask about their verification procedures, or consider using a different payment method as backup just in case. The last thing you want is a delayed payment causing penalty fees!
I've used gift cards for tax payments a couple times and it's definitely doable! One thing I'd add that I don't think anyone mentioned yet - check the expiration dates on your gift cards before you start the registration process. I had one card that was about to expire and almost lost the money because I waited too long to use it. Also, when you register the cards, make sure you're doing it on the official Visa gift card website, not some third-party site. I almost got scammed by a fake registration site that looked legit but was just trying to steal card info. For your $500 in gift cards toward a $2,300 bill, that's a solid chunk! Just remember to factor in the processing fees when budgeting - so if you're paying 2% fees, your $500 will actually cost you about $510 total. Still better than scrambling for cash though. Good luck!
@Maya Jackson This is super useful advice! I had no idea about checking expiration dates - I just assumed gift cards lasted forever. I m'definitely going to check all mine before I start the registration process. One follow-up question - if a gift card is close to expiring like (within a month ,)does that cause any issues with the tax payment processors? Or as long as it s'valid when you make the payment, you re'good to go? I m'worried about starting the process and then having a card expire mid-payment or something. Also really appreciate the heads up about the scam registration sites. With all the tax deadlines and stress, it s'easy to just click on the first result that pops up without double-checking the URL.
@AstroAce As long as your gift card is valid when you actually process the payment, you should be fine! The payment processors don't usually check expiration dates in advance - they just try to process the transaction when you submit it. So if your card expires in a month, you have plenty of time to get everything registered and make your payment. That said, I'd definitely recommend not waiting until the last minute, especially if you're close to tax deadlines. Gift card payments can sometimes take a few business days to fully process and show up in the IRS system, so give yourself some buffer time. The registration process itself is pretty quick (usually takes just a few minutes per card), but like others mentioned, sometimes there can be verification delays on the actual payment processing. Better to start early and have everything sorted well before your card expires!
Hey Avery! I totally get how overwhelming the W4 can feel when you're looking at it for the first time - I had the exact same panic when I started my first job at a local restaurant! Everyone here has given you excellent advice, and I want to echo that you're actually in the simplest possible situation. As a 16-year-old with just one part-time job, you literally only need to worry about Step 1 (your basic info and "Single" filing status) and then skip straight to Step 5 to sign it. That's it! One thing that really helped me was realizing that the W4 isn't some high-stakes permanent decision. If you realize later that you want to adjust anything (like maybe claiming exempt status once you see how much you're actually earning), you can always fill out a new one. Your employer expects that first-time workers might need to make changes as they figure things out. Also, don't be embarrassed to ask your manager or HR person for help if you get stuck on the online system - they've definitely walked other new hires through this before and would much rather help you get it right than deal with payroll issues later. Take a deep breath, follow the simple approach everyone's outlined, and then get excited about your new job! Mall work can be really fun, especially during busy seasons. You've got this! š
This is such helpful and reassuring advice! As someone who's completely new to this community and about to start my first job next week, reading through this entire thread has been incredibly valuable. Everyone here has been so supportive and patient with explaining what initially seemed like an impossibly complicated form. @Avery, I hope you were able to get your W4 submitted successfully! The consistent advice from everyone about keeping it simple (just Step 1, skip 2-4, then sign) seems like the perfect approach for students like us. It's really comforting to know that this form that looked so intimidating is actually pretty straightforward when you're in a simple tax situation. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this discussion - you've all made the prospect of filling out my first W4 so much less scary! This community seems like such a great resource for navigating all these "adulting" tasks that nobody really prepares you for in school.
Hey Avery! I completely understand the stress - I remember feeling exactly the same way when I got my first job at a bookstore last year and saw that W4 form! It looked like it was designed by aliens who spoke only in tax code š Everyone here has given you absolutely perfect advice, so I just want to add my voice to reassure you that you're going to be totally fine. The beauty of being 16 with your first part-time job is that you get to use the "super easy mode" version of the W4: **Step 1**: Your name, address, SSN, and check "Single" (even though you're a dependent - that's completely separate) **Steps 2-4**: Completely ignore these - they're for complex situations that don't apply to you **Step 5**: Sign and date That's literally it! The system will handle everything else automatically based on your pay level. One thing that really helped calm my nerves was remembering that your employer's payroll team processes W4s from nervous teenagers all the time - you're definitely not the first person to feel overwhelmed by this! And if something did go wrong (which it won't), they'd help you fix it. Take those screenshots when you submit it, breathe easy knowing you can always update it later if needed, and get excited about earning your first paycheck! Congratulations on the job - mall work during the holidays is going to be such a great experience! š
Alicia Stern
Sometimes the best approach is to contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service. They have authority to cut through red tape when you're experiencing hardship due to IRS delays.
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Jabari-Jo
I went through this exact same nightmare last year! Filed in March, got the identity verification hold, and waited 8 weeks for a letter that never came. Finally used Claimyr to get through to someone and discovered they had my address wrong in their system. The agent was able to verify my identity right there on the phone and released my refund within days. Before that call though, I used taxr.ai to analyze my transcript and it showed me exactly what codes were on my account - turned out I had the 570/971 combo which confirmed the identity verification hold. Really helped me understand what was happening instead of just guessing. My advice: don't wait much longer for that letter. If you're already at 5 weeks, there's probably an issue. Either the letter got lost, went to wrong address, or there's some other problem. Getting a human on the phone is really your best bet at this point. The verification process itself only takes a few minutes once you actually talk to someone who can help!
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