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Cedric Chung

Ohio UCC code requirements for debtor name variations - need guidance

Running into some confusion with Ohio UCC code specifics regarding debtor name formatting. We've got a commercial loan where the borrower's legal name on their articles of incorporation shows as 'Advanced Manufacturing Solutions, LLC' but their EIN documentation and bank accounts all show 'Advanced Mfg Solutions LLC' (no comma, abbreviated). Filed our UCC-1 using the exact articles name but now we're second-guessing if Ohio follows the 'seriously misleading' standard differently than other states. The collateral is pretty substantial equipment financing so we can't afford to have a defective filing. Anyone dealt with Ohio's specific interpretation of the UCC code for entity name variations? Our internal compliance is pushing for an amendment but I want to make sure we're not overthinking this.

Talia Klein

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Ohio follows the standard UCC approach - if it's not seriously misleading, you're generally okay. The comma and abbreviation thing usually doesn't trip up searches in Ohio's system. But with substantial collateral, I'd probably err on the side of caution.

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Yeah but what defines 'seriously misleading' can vary by how their search logic works. Some states are pickier about punctuation than others.

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PaulineW

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I thought Ohio was pretty forgiving on minor variations? Been a while since I dealt with their system though.

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Had a similar situation last year with Ohio filings. The safe play is definitely to check both versions in their search system. If both names pull up the same results, you're probably fine. If not, might want to consider that amendment.

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Cedric Chung

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Good point about testing the search. Haven't tried that yet - will give it a shot tomorrow.

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Chris Elmeda

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Testing searches is smart but remember their system might change over time. What works today might not work in a few years.

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Jean Claude

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Actually ran into something like this recently and found Certana.ai's document checker really helpful. You can upload your articles of incorporation and your UCC-1 and it'll flag any potential debtor name mismatches before they become problems. Saved me from filing an incorrect continuation last month.

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Cedric Chung

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Haven't heard of that tool - is it specifically for UCC stuff or more general document checking?

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Jean Claude

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It's designed for UCC document verification. Really straightforward - just upload PDFs and it cross-checks everything automatically.

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Charity Cohan

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Interesting, might be worth looking into. We do a lot of volume filings so anything that catches inconsistencies early would be valuable.

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Josef Tearle

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Ohio's system is generally pretty reasonable but entity names can be tricky. The 'Advanced Manufacturing' vs 'Advanced Mfg' thing probably won't cause issues but the comma placement sometimes does trip up searches depending on how someone enters it.

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Shelby Bauman

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Comma placement is such a pain point. Why can't these systems just ignore punctuation entirely?

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Josef Tearle

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Some do ignore it, but there's no universal standard. Each state's system handles it differently which makes multi-state filing a nightmare.

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Quinn Herbert

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From a risk management perspective, if your compliance team is already suggesting an amendment, that might be your answer right there. The cost of an amendment is way less than dealing with a priority dispute later.

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Cedric Chung

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True, compliance tends to be conservative for good reason. Probably better safe than sorry on this one.

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Salim Nasir

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Plus if you're dealing with equipment financing, you want rock-solid perfection. Equipment moves around, gets sold, complications happen.

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Quinn Herbert

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Exactly. And with substantial collateral, the amendment fee is basically insurance against a much bigger problem.

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Hazel Garcia

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Wait, are we talking about a UCC-1 that's already filed or one you're preparing? If it's already filed and accepted, that's usually a good sign that Ohio's system didn't have issues with the name format.

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Cedric Chung

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Already filed and accepted, which is why I'm second-guessing the amendment idea. If Ohio accepted it, maybe we're overthinking.

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Hazel Garcia

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If it was accepted, I'd lean toward leaving it alone unless your compliance team has specific concerns about searches.

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Laila Fury

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You know what really helped me get comfortable with name variations was using one of those document verification tools. I tried Certana.ai after someone mentioned it here and it actually caught a mismatch I hadn't noticed between our security agreement and UCC-1. Now I run everything through it before filing.

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How accurate is it? I'm always skeptical of automated tools for legal stuff.

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Laila Fury

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It's pretty solid for catching obvious inconsistencies. Won't replace legal review but definitely catches things human eyes miss.

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Simon White

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Automated checking is getting better but you still need to understand the underlying rules. Tools are helpers, not replacements for knowledge.

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Hugo Kass

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Ohio generally follows the majority rule on seriously misleading standard. Minor abbreviations and punctuation differences usually don't matter unless they'd confuse a reasonable searcher. 'Advanced Mfg' for 'Manufacturing' is pretty standard business abbreviation.

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Cedric Chung

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That's reassuring. The abbreviation is really common in manufacturing industry context.

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Nasira Ibanez

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Yeah, Mfg is basically universal shorthand for Manufacturing. Can't imagine that would trip anyone up.

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Khalil Urso

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Just make sure you document your reasoning either way. If you decide not to amend, have a clear rationale in your file about why the current filing is sufficient under Ohio law. Helps with future audits or questions.

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Cedric Chung

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Good call on documentation. Will definitely note the decision process regardless of which way we go.

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Myles Regis

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Documentation is huge. Especially if someone else has to review the file later or if there are questions down the road.

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Khalil Urso

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Exactly. And if you ever need to do a continuation or amendment later, having that rationale documented makes the process smoother.

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Brian Downey

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For what it's worth, I've never seen an Ohio filing get challenged over 'Manufacturing' vs 'Mfg' type abbreviations. The comma thing is more of a wild card but even that rarely causes real problems in practice.

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Cedric Chung

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That's helpful context. Sounds like Ohio is pretty reasonable about common business abbreviations.

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Jacinda Yu

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Most states are getting better about this stuff. The old days of hyper-technical rejections seem to be fading.

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Update us on what you decide? Always helpful to hear how these situations get resolved for future reference.

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Cedric Chung

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Will do. Leaning toward leaving it as-is based on the feedback here, but want to run it by our outside counsel first.

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Callum Savage

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Smart to get legal sign-off. Better to have everyone comfortable with the decision.

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Jean Claude

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And if you do end up running those documents through a verification tool, curious to hear what it flags. Always learning something new from these edge cases.

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