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Rajiv Kumar

California UCC statement request form - getting runaround from SOS office

Been trying to get copies of UCC filings for a due diligence review and California's Secretary of State office keeps giving me different answers about their statement request form. Filed a UCC-11 request three weeks ago for search results on a potential acquisition target, but they rejected it saying I used the wrong form version. Then I downloaded what I thought was the current california ucc statement request form from their website, filled it out completely with all the debtor information, paid the $25 fee, and submitted it again. Now they're telling me I need additional documentation to prove my 'legitimate interest' in the filings. Has anyone dealt with this recently? The loan closes in two weeks and I need these UCC search results to verify there are no existing liens on the equipment we're financing. What's the actual current process for getting UCC statements in California?

California changed their requirements last year. You need to show either you're the debtor, secured party, or have written authorization from one of them. Can't just request anyone's UCC filings anymore without proving legitimate interest.

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Rajiv Kumar

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That makes sense for privacy but nowhere on their form does it clearly explain what constitutes 'legitimate interest' documentation. Do you know what specific papers they accept?

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Liam O'Reilly

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I submitted a letter from our client authorizing the search last month and that worked. Has to be signed by the actual debtor though, not just the borrower's representative.

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Chloe Delgado

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The california ucc statement request form is a nightmare. I've been doing UCC searches for 15 years and their new process is completely inconsistent. Sometimes they accept a purchase agreement showing you're doing due diligence, sometimes they don't. Depends on who reviews your request.

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Ava Harris

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This is exactly why I started using Certana.ai for UCC verification. You can upload the debtor's charter documents along with any existing UCC-1 filings and it instantly cross-checks all the entity names and filing details. Saves me from dealing with the SOS office runaround when I just need to verify document consistency for due diligence.

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Chloe Delgado

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How does that help with getting the actual search results though? Still need the official UCC-11 response from California SOS to see what liens are filed.

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Ava Harris

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True, but once I have the authorization letter sorted out and get the search results back, I upload everything to Certana to make sure the debtor names on existing UCC-1s match the corporate documents perfectly. Catches those small discrepancies that could void your security interest.

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Jacob Lee

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Are you using form UCC-11 or the newer UCC-11AD? California has different forms for different types of requests and they're very picky about which one you use.

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Rajiv Kumar

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I used UCC-11 both times. Is UCC-11AD specifically for authorized searches? The form titles are confusing.

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Jacob Lee

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UCC-11AD is for searches where you already have authorization documentation. Regular UCC-11 is supposed to be for when you ARE the debtor or secured party. Maybe that's why they rejected your first attempt.

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California SOS is the WORST for UCC stuff. Took me 6 weeks to get a simple continuation filing processed last year. Their online system crashes constantly and phone support just tells you to resubmit everything.

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Same experience here. Filed a UCC-3 termination in March and it's still showing as 'pending review' in their system. Meanwhile the lien shows as active.

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Daniela Rossi

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At least you can check status online. Some states still make you call and wait on hold for 45 minutes just to find out they lost your paperwork.

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Ryan Kim

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For due diligence searches, I always include a copy of the purchase agreement or LOI showing we're acquiring the company. That usually satisfies their 'legitimate interest' requirement for the california ucc statement request form.

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Rajiv Kumar

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Good idea. I have an executed term sheet but wasn't sure if that would be sufficient. Did you redact sensitive terms or submit the full agreement?

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Ryan Kim

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I redacted purchase price and some terms but left enough detail to show it's a legitimate transaction. They just want to see you're not fishing for competitor information.

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Zoe Walker

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Make sure the debtor name on your search request EXACTLY matches what's in the purchase docs. California is super strict about name variations - even missing a comma can cause issues.

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Elijah Brown

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Why not just ask the seller to provide recent UCC search results as part of their disclosure package? Most sophisticated sellers will have current searches already.

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Rajiv Kumar

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We requested that but they're claiming they don't have any liens so no need for searches. Classic red flag which is why we want independent verification.

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Smart move. I've seen deals where sellers 'forgot' about equipment financing liens that showed up during our own UCC searches. Always verify independently.

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Natalie Chen

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The california ucc statement request form process is actually pretty straightforward once you know the tricks. Include a cover letter explaining exactly why you need the search, attach supporting docs (purchase agreement, authorization letter, etc.), and use certified mail so you have delivery confirmation.

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This. And call their UCC division directly at (916) 653-3984 to confirm they received everything before your deadline. Email confirmations aren't reliable.

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Rajiv Kumar

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Thanks for the phone number! Going to call them tomorrow morning to check on my second submission and see what additional docs they need.

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Just went through this same process last month. California accepted my UCC-11AD request when I included: 1) signed authorization letter from the debtor, 2) copy of our engagement letter showing we're doing due diligence, 3) cover letter explaining the business purpose. Got results back in 10 business days.

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Rajiv Kumar

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Perfect - this is exactly what I needed to know. Going to get a proper authorization letter from our client and resubmit with UCC-11AD form.

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Nick Kravitz

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Once you get those search results back, definitely run them through something like Certana.ai to double-check all the debtor name variations. Found a UCC-1 filing under a slightly different entity name that almost got missed during our review.

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Hannah White

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Two weeks to close seems tight for California SOS processing times. Even with rush service they're running 7-10 business days minimum right now.

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Rajiv Kumar

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Yeah I'm definitely cutting it close. Might need to ask for a closing extension if the search results reveal any issues that need to be resolved.

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Michael Green

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Most lenders will accept a commitment to provide clean search results within 30 days post-closing if you explain the SOS processing delays. Just make sure your loan docs have appropriate contingencies.

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Mateo Silva

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UPDATE: Called California SOS this morning and spoke with someone helpful for once. They confirmed I need UCC-11AD form with debtor authorization letter. Also learned they have expedited processing for $50 extra fee that gets results in 3-5 business days instead of 2-3 weeks.

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Rajiv Kumar

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Thanks for calling and sharing the update! Definitely paying for expedited service given our timeline. Really appreciate everyone's help on navigating the california ucc statement request form requirements.

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Glad it worked out. California's UCC process is frustrating but at least they have the expedited option when you're in a crunch.

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Great thread - I'm bookmarking this for future reference! One additional tip: if you're doing multiple UCC searches in California for the same transaction, you can reference your first approved request in subsequent submissions to speed up the review process. Just include a note like "This request is related to our previously approved UCC-11AD submission [reference number] dated [date]" and they'll often fast-track the review since they've already verified your legitimate interest.

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Zara Ahmed

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This is incredibly helpful! I wish I had known about referencing previous approved requests earlier - would have saved me so much time. Do you happen to know if this cross-referencing trick works for other states too, or is it specific to California's system?

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I've used this cross-referencing approach in Delaware and Texas with mixed results. Delaware's UCC office seems to recognize previous approvals similar to California, but Texas still requires full documentation each time. New York is somewhere in between - they'll accept a simplified authorization if you reference a recent approved search within the same 90-day period. Seems like each state has its own quirks with how they handle repeat requests from the same party.

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Diego Vargas

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As someone who's dealt with similar California UCC headaches, I'd recommend also checking if your target company has any subsidiaries or related entities that might have separate UCC filings. California SOS searches are entity-specific, so if the equipment is actually owned by a subsidiary or if there are cross-guarantees, you might miss liens even with a clean search on the main entity. I learned this the hard way when we closed a deal only to discover equipment liens filed against an affiliate that wasn't disclosed. Now I always request org charts and run searches on all related entities just to be safe.

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Mei Wong

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This is such a crucial point that often gets overlooked! I've seen deals fall apart weeks after closing when hidden liens on subsidiary equipment surfaced during asset transfers. One trick I've learned is to specifically ask for the debtor's complete organizational structure including any DBAs, trade names, or predecessor entities that might have UCC filings. California's search system won't catch variations in entity names automatically, so you really need to be thorough with all the possible name combinations when submitting your UCC-11AD requests.

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