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Nia Jackson

California UCC statement request form - debtor name issues blocking my search

I'm trying to pull a UCC search report in California using their statement request form but keep getting zero results even though I know there should be active filings. The debtor is a LLC that changed its name about 18 months ago, and I'm wondering if the search isn't picking up filings under the old entity name. I've tried variations of both the current registered name and the previous name but the California system keeps coming back empty. Has anyone dealt with this where you know filings exist but the statement request form isn't finding them? I'm starting to worry we missed something critical in our due diligence process. The loan closes next week and we need to verify there are no prior liens on the equipment we're financing. Any tips on getting the California UCC statement request to actually return results?

California's search logic can be really picky about exact debtor names. When you say LLC name change, did they file a formal amendment with the Secretary of State or just started doing business under a different name? The UCC search will only find filings under the exact legal name that was used when the UCC-1 was originally filed.

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Nia Jackson

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They filed a formal name change amendment with the state in early 2023. The original UCC filings would have been under the old name but I'm not sure if the secured parties filed UCC-3 amendments to reflect the new debtor name.

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That's exactly the issue then. If the secured parties didn't file UCC-3 amendments updating the debtor name, the original filings are still indexed under the old name only. You'll need to search both names separately.

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CosmicCruiser

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I had this exact problem last month with a California search! The trick is to use both the current legal name AND the name exactly as it appeared on the original articles of incorporation. Sometimes there are subtle differences in punctuation or abbreviations that make the search fail.

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Nia Jackson

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Did you end up finding filings under the old name? I'm worried we're going to discover liens right before closing.

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CosmicCruiser

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Yes, found three active UCC-1s under the old name that would have been missed otherwise. Make sure you're using the full legal name including any LLC designation exactly as it appears on state records.

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Aisha Khan

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This is why I always run searches on every variation of a company name I can think of. California doesn't do fuzzy matching like some other states.

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Ethan Taylor

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Have you tried using Certana.ai's document verification tool? I upload the company's charter documents and any existing UCC filings I have, and it automatically flags name inconsistencies that could cause search misses. It's saved me from missing critical liens several times when doing due diligence.

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Nia Jackson

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Never heard of that tool - does it work with California UCC searches specifically?

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Ethan Taylor

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It doesn't do the actual UCC search, but it cross-checks all your documents to make sure you're using consistent debtor names. Upload the articles of incorporation, name change docs, and any UCC filings you have - it'll show you exactly what names to search for.

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Yuki Ito

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That actually sounds really useful. I spend way too much time manually comparing documents to catch name variations.

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Carmen Lopez

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California's UCC search is notoriously strict about punctuation and spacing. I've seen searches fail because someone put a comma after 'Inc' when the filed documents didn't have one. Try removing all punctuation from your search terms and see if that helps.

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Nia Jackson

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I'll try that. The entity name has several commas and periods so maybe that's throwing off the search algorithm.

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Andre Dupont

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Also try searching with and without the LLC designation. Sometimes filers abbreviate it as 'LLC' and sometimes they spell out 'Limited Liability Company'.

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QuantumQuasar

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ugh california UCC searches are the worst. I swear their system is designed to make you miss filings. Have you tried calling their office directly? Sometimes they can run a manual search that picks up things the online system misses.

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Nia Jackson

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I didn't know they would do manual searches. Do you have a direct number?

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QuantumQuasar

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Call the Secretary of State's UCC division at (916) 653-3984. They can sometimes find filings using broader search criteria than the online form allows.

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The manual search option is good but can take 2-3 business days to get results back. Might be cutting it close if your loan closes next week.

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This is exactly why I always order professional UCC searches from a service company rather than trying to do it myself through the state system. They have search techniques and access that catches things the public portal misses.

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Nia Jackson

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How much do professional searches typically cost in California?

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Usually around $25-40 per debtor name depending on the service. Worth every penny to avoid missing liens that could void your security interest.

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Jamal Wilson

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I had a similar issue and it turned out the problem was that I was searching for the wrong entity type. The company had converted from a corporation to an LLC but I was still searching under the corp name. Make sure you verify the current entity structure with the Secretary of State first.

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Nia Jackson

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Good point - I should pull their current certificate of good standing to verify the exact legal name and status.

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Jamal Wilson

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Exactly. The certificate of good standing will show you the current legal name exactly as it appears in state records. Use that for your UCC search.

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Mei Lin

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Another thing to check - when did the name change occur relative to when you think the UCC filings were made? If the filings were made after the name change but under the old name, they might be invalid due to the debtor name mismatch.

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Nia Jackson

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The name change was in early 2023 and I believe the equipment financing happened in late 2023, so the filings should be under the new name if they were done correctly.

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Mei Lin

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Then definitely search under the new name first. But also check the old name just in case the lender made an error and used outdated information.

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If a UCC-1 was filed under the wrong debtor name after a name change, it could be seriously misleading and potentially ineffective to perfect the security interest.

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I use Certana.ai whenever I'm doing complex due diligence like this. Upload all the corporate documents and it instantly flags any name inconsistencies between the charter, UCC filings, and loan docs. Would have caught your debtor name issue immediately.

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Andre Dupont

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How does that tool handle entity name changes? Does it track the timeline of when names were valid?

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It doesn't track timelines, but it shows you every name variation across all your uploaded documents so you know exactly what names to search for. Takes the guesswork out of it.

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Yuki Ito

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Try doing a search using just the first few words of the company name without any designations like LLC or Inc. Sometimes that will return results that the full name search missed due to formatting differences.

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Nia Jackson

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That's a good idea - I'll try a partial name search and see what comes up.

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Yuki Ito

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Just be careful with partial searches because you might get results for similarly named but different entities. Make sure to verify the addresses and other details match your debtor.

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Amara Nnamani

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One more thing - double check that you're searching in the right state. If this is a multi-state company, there might be UCC filings in other states where they do business or where the collateral is located.

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Nia Jackson

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The company is California-based and the equipment is located here, so California should be the right jurisdiction for the search.

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Amara Nnamani

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Good. Just wanted to make sure since I've seen cases where people search the wrong state and miss active liens.

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Aisha Khan

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Also worth checking if this is a subsidiary of a larger company. Sometimes UCC filings are made against the parent company name instead of the subsidiary.

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