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Amelia Dietrich

California SOS UCC search showing weird results - anyone else having issues?

Been trying to run a UCC search on the California SOS system for the past two days and getting some really strange results. I'm working on a due diligence package for an equipment financing deal and need to verify existing liens on some manufacturing equipment. When I search by debtor name, I'm getting hits that don't seem related to my borrower at all - different addresses, different business types, but similar company names. The search is pulling up UCC-1 filings from 2019-2023 but I can't tell which ones are actually for my debtor versus these other entities. Has anyone dealt with the California SOS UCC search system lately? The portal seems to be returning too many results and I'm worried I'm missing something important or including irrelevant filings in my analysis. My borrower's legal name is 'Pacific Industrial Solutions LLC' but the search is also showing 'Pacific Industries Solutions Inc' and 'Pacific Industrial Services LLC' - all completely different companies as far as I can tell. This is holding up my entire loan review process.

Kaiya Rivera

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California's search algorithm has always been pretty broad on name matching. You're seeing the system's attempt to catch variations but it definitely creates noise. For 'Pacific Industrial Solutions LLC' you'll want to verify the exact legal name first - check their Articles of Organization with the CA Secretary of State business entity search. The UCC search will pull anything that's even remotely similar, so you need to manually filter by checking addresses and organizational details on each filing.

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Good point about checking the Articles first. I did verify the exact legal name and it matches what I'm searching for. The problem is the search results don't clearly distinguish between exact matches and similar name matches.

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This is exactly why I started using document verification tools. Manually cross-referencing every similar name was eating up hours of my time.

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Noah Irving

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Had this same issue last month with a Texas deal but searched California filings. The SOS search is notorious for false positives. What I do is pull every result that looks remotely possible, then go through each UCC-1 individually to check the debtor address and organizational ID number if listed. Most of the time the irrelevant hits have different addresses or are different entity types (LLC vs Inc vs Corp).

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That's what I've been doing but it's taking forever. Some of these filings don't even include full addresses, just city and state.

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Vanessa Chang

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Try searching by the debtor's EIN or state file number if you have them. That usually narrows it down significantly and eliminates the name confusion.

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Don't have the EIN handy but I can get the state file number. Will try that approach.

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Madison King

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California's system is THE WORST for this. I swear they updated something in their search algorithm last year that made it even more aggressive about pulling similar names. You're not going crazy - it really is showing too many results. The frustrating part is there's no way to do an exact name match search, so you always have to wade through the false positives.

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Julian Paolo

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Totally agree about the system changes. Used to be more precise but now it's like they cast the widest possible net.

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Kaiya Rivera

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The broad search is actually intentional - they'd rather show you too many results than risk missing a filing due to minor name variations. But I agree it makes the search process much more time-consuming.

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Ella Knight

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I dealt with this exact scenario a few weeks ago. What saved me was using Certana.ai's UCC verification tool - you can upload the borrower's Articles of Organization and then upload all the questionable UCC-1 filings, and it instantly cross-checks the entity details to tell you which ones actually match your debtor. Took what was going to be 2 hours of manual comparison down to about 10 minutes. The tool caught that two of the filings I thought were false positives were actually for subsidiaries of my borrower that I didn't know existed.

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That sounds exactly like what I need. How accurate is the matching? I can't afford to miss any actual liens on this deal.

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Ella Knight

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It's been spot-on for me. The system cross-references addresses, organizational numbers, and even checks for DBA relationships. Much more thorough than what I could do manually.

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Never heard of Certana.ai but if it can sort through California's messy search results, I'm interested. The manual process is killing my productivity.

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Vanessa Chang

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One more tip - if you're seeing lots of similar company names, check if your borrower has any DBAs or subsidiaries. Sometimes what looks like false positives are actually related entities. I've seen situations where a parent company had multiple LLCs with very similar names for different business lines.

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That's a really good point. I only got the primary entity information from the borrower. Need to ask about any related companies or DBAs.

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Yes! This bit me once - thought I had a clean search but missed a subsidiary that had existing liens. Always ask for a complete organizational chart.

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Jade Santiago

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California SOS search has been glitchy lately. Last week I was getting error messages every few searches and some results weren't loading properly. Might be worth trying your search at different times of day - I've had better luck in the mornings before the system gets overloaded.

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Madison King

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I've noticed the same thing! The system definitely seems slower and less reliable during peak business hours.

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I was searching during lunch time so that might explain some of the issues. Will try early morning tomorrow.

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Caleb Stone

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For what it's worth, I think the California system errs on the side of showing too many results rather than too few, which is actually better for due diligence purposes. Better to have to filter out false positives than to miss a real lien because the search was too restrictive. Just budget extra time for the manual review process.

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True, but it's still frustrating when you're working against a deadline. The extra time adds up quickly on large deals.

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Kaiya Rivera

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Exactly right about the philosophy. Missing a lien is much worse than spending extra time on false positives.

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Daniel Price

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This is why I always pad my UCC search timeline by at least a day when dealing with California filings.

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Olivia Evans

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Try using quotation marks around the exact company name in the search field. Sometimes that helps narrow down the results, though I'm not sure if California's system supports that search syntax.

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Worth a try! I didn't think to use quotation marks. Their search interface doesn't give any hints about advanced search options.

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Vanessa Chang

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I don't think California supports that but some other states do. Can't hurt to test it.

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Had a similar experience with a debtor named 'American Manufacturing Corp' - the search pulled up every company with 'American' and 'Manufacturing' in the name. Ended up with 47 results to review manually. What I learned is to also check the filing dates and secured party information to help eliminate obvious false positives. If the secured party doesn't make sense for your deal, it's probably not relevant.

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Good strategy! I hadn't thought about using the secured party info as a filter. Most of these false positives probably have completely different types of lenders.

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Aiden Chen

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That's smart - if you're doing equipment financing and the existing liens are from credit card companies or suppliers, they're probably not relevant to your collateral.

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Exactly. Context clues from the secured party and collateral description can save a lot of time in the review process.

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Zoey Bianchi

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Another approach is to search by the secured party name if you know who the existing lenders are. Sometimes that gives you a cleaner result set and you can work backwards to verify the debtor information. Not helpful for discovering unknown liens, but good for confirming specific ones you're aware of.

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That's actually really clever. I do know they have an existing equipment loan with a regional bank. I could search for that lender's filings first.

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Kaiya Rivera

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Good thinking. Secured party searches are often more precise than debtor name searches, especially when dealing with common business names.

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Just went through this exact same thing with a California borrower two weeks ago. Ended up finding a document verification service that could cross-check all the UCC filings against my borrower's corporate documents automatically. Game changer for dealing with these broad search results - no more manual comparison of addresses and entity details.

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Is this the same Certana.ai tool someone mentioned earlier? Starting to think I need to try automated verification rather than doing this manually.

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Yes, that's the one. Really impressed with how it handled the entity matching. Saved me probably 3-4 hours of manual work on that deal.

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Ella Knight

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Glad to see others are having success with it too. The document upload process is really straightforward - just drag and drop your files and let it do the cross-checking.

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