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For future reference, when you're getting any auto loan make sure to ask the lender about their UCC termination timeline during the loan process. Some lenders are much faster than others and it's worth knowing upfront if you might need to refi or sell quickly later.

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Philip Cowan

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Never thought to ask about this during loan shopping but it makes total sense. UCC termination speed could definitely be a factor in choosing between lenders.

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CosmicCowboy

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This is really good advice. I wish I had known to ask about UCC processing times when I was shopping for my car loan. Would have definitely influenced my decision knowing some lenders take 6+ weeks while others can do it in a few days.

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Connor Murphy

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As a newcomer to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly educational! I had no idea that document verification tools like Certana could help identify specific issues causing delays. The advice about checking VIN format consistency between documents seems like something that should be standard practice but probably gets overlooked frequently. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences - it's clear that being proactive with document verification and knowing your escalation options (retention dept, regulatory complaints) can save weeks of frustration. Definitely bookmarking this for future reference!

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Oliver Wagner

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Welcome to the community! You're absolutely right that this kind of practical knowledge should be more widely known. I've learned more about UCC filings from this thread than from any official documentation. The fact that simple document formatting inconsistencies can cause weeks of delays really highlights how important it is to verify everything upfront rather than assuming the lenders have their systems sorted out properly.

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One more tip - after you file the termination and get confirmation, do a follow-up UCC search in a few weeks to make sure it actually cleared from the records. I've heard of rare cases where terminations were accepted but didn't properly update the database for some reason.

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Ethan Wilson

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Smart to do that verification search. That's actually another thing Certana.ai's tool is useful for - you can upload your termination confirmation along with a current UCC search to verify everything processed correctly and the records are clean.

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Exactly. It's that final peace of mind that everything was handled properly. Better safe than sorry with UCC filings.

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Mateo Silva

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Great thread everyone! Just to add one more practical tip - when you're gathering all the documents for your UCC termination, create a simple checklist to make sure you have everything: 1) Copy of original UCC-1 filing (get this from state records if needed), 2) Lender's satisfaction letter or authorization, 3) Loan payoff documentation, and 4) Completed UCC-3 termination form. Having everything organized upfront will save you time and reduce the chance of errors. Also, if you're working with an attorney on this, ask them to walk you through the process once - it's simpler than it seems and good knowledge to have for future deals.

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This checklist is super helpful! As someone new to UCC filings, I really appreciate having a clear step-by-step approach. One question - when you mention getting the original UCC-1 from state records, is there usually a fee for that search/copy, or is it typically free to access online?

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Elin Robinson

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Update: Finally got this resolved! Turns out the LLC had filed a trade name registration that was showing up in searches but wasn't their actual legal name. The UCC definition of person covered them fine as an LLC, but we needed to use their registered legal name from the articles, not the trade name. Thanks everyone for the help - got the filing accepted and the lender is happy.

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Beth Ford

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Nice work tracking that down. Those trade name registrations can be really misleading when you're trying to identify the correct debtor name for UCC purposes.

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This whole thread is going in my reference folder. Great example of how the UCC definition of person isn't usually the problem - it's all about getting the debtor identification right.

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Zoe Papadakis

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Great thread! I'm new to UCC filings and this has been really educational. One question - when you're dealing with entities that might have multiple names (like trade names, DBAs, etc.), is there a systematic way to identify which name to use? Or is it always just a matter of checking the state's official records? Seems like there could be a lot of potential pitfalls for someone just starting out with secured transactions.

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Welcome to the community! For UCC filings, always use the exact legal name as it appears in the entity's organizational documents filed with the state (articles of incorporation, articles of organization, etc.). Trade names, DBAs, and assumed names should never be used as the debtor name - those are just marketing names, not the legal entity name. The rule of thumb is: if the entity got sued, what name would appear on the court documents? That's your debtor name. Start by pulling the most recent certificate of good standing or articles from the Secretary of State - that's your gold standard. And yes, there are definitely pitfalls, but once you get the hang of always going back to the official state records, it becomes much more straightforward!

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Kai Santiago

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Update us when you get this resolved! Always good to hear how these situations turn out for future reference.

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Mae Bennett

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Will do. This thread has been really helpful in understanding what I need to push for. Thanks everyone!

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Lim Wong

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Agreed, fixture terminations come up more often than you'd think. Good discussion here.

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Kayla Morgan

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One thing that might help speed up your process - get your lender to provide you with a draft of the UCC-3 termination before they file it. That way you can verify it matches your original fixture filing exactly and confirm they're planning to file in both the central UCC office and the local real estate records. I learned this the hard way when a lender filed a termination with a slightly different debtor name that didn't exactly match our original filing. Caught it early because I insisted on seeing the draft first, but it would have been a mess if it had gone through incorrectly.

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Yuki Watanabe

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That's excellent advice about reviewing the draft first! I'm definitely going to ask for that. Better to catch any discrepancies before filing rather than having to fix them later. Did you run into any pushback from the lender when you asked to see the draft, or were they pretty accommodating?

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Kaylee Cook

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Most lenders are pretty reasonable about showing you the draft, especially if you explain that you want to avoid any filing errors that could delay the termination process. In my experience, they'd rather spend a few minutes letting you review it upfront than deal with correction filings later. Just frame it as wanting to help ensure accuracy rather than questioning their competence - makes the conversation go much smoother.

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Nia Thompson

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Bottom line - you need both documents for different reasons. Security agreement creates the lien, UCC-1 perfects it. Without both, you're not fully protected. The debtor name consistency is critical, and timing matters. Get both done right the first time.

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Thanks everyone! This has been super helpful. I feel much more confident about the process now.

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Nia Thompson

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Good luck with your equipment purchase! Just remember to keep copies of everything and track your continuation dates.

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Ava Johnson

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One more thing to keep in mind - the UCC-1 financing statement has a 5-year term, so you'll need to file a continuation statement before it expires if your loan term is longer. The security agreement doesn't expire, but your perfected status will lapse if you don't continue the UCC filing. Mark your calendar for the continuation deadline - it's easy to forget but critical for maintaining your priority position.

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Daryl Bright

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Great point about the continuation filing! I hadn't even thought about that aspect yet. So if I have a 7-year equipment loan, I need to remember to file the continuation before year 5? What happens if I miss that deadline - does the lender lose their security interest entirely?

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Caleb Stark

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If you miss the continuation deadline, your UCC filing lapses and you lose your perfected status - meaning other creditors who file after your lapse could potentially take priority over you, even though your security agreement is still valid. The lender doesn't lose their security interest entirely, but they lose their priority position against other secured creditors. You can refile, but you'd be treated as a new filing with a new priority date. Definitely don't want to miss that deadline!

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