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Nia Harris

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Bottom line: if you can pick it up and move it and it's not money, it's probably goods. Everything else falls into the other UCC categories. When in doubt, describe it broadly in your collateral schedule and let the lawyers sort out the nuances.

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That's the practical approach but you still need to get the UCC-1 classification boxes right. Can't just check 'all of the above' and hope for the best.

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True, but a comprehensive collateral description covers you better than trying to get too cute with narrow categories and missing something important.

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One thing I always remind people is to think about the UCC's purpose - it's designed to give notice to other potential creditors about what's encumbered. So when you're on the fence about classification, ask yourself: would a reasonable searcher expect to find this type of collateral under the category you're using? For manufacturing companies like yours, I'd typically see a filing that covers both "goods" (for the equipment and inventory) and "general intangibles" (for the licenses and IP). The bolted-down equipment question is trickier - you might need to do a fixtures analysis or even consider a real estate filing depending on how integrated it is with the building. Better to over-secure than under-secure in my experience.

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This is really helpful perspective - the "reasonable searcher" test makes a lot of sense for borderline cases. I hadn't thought about it from that angle before. For the bolted-down equipment, would you typically lean toward a fixture filing as additional protection, or is that overkill if the equipment could still be removed without major building damage?

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Ava Kim

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Just a heads up - since you mentioned the deadline is Monday, make sure to check if the filing office is open and what their cutoff times are. Some county recorder offices have earlier deadlines on Mondays or reduced hours. Also, if you're filing electronically, verify the system will be available. I've seen people scramble at the last minute only to find the e-filing system was down for maintenance. With fixture filings being more complex, you don't want any last-minute surprises delaying your submission.

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Noah Irving

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Great point about checking the filing office hours! I just called and they close at 4 PM on Mondays, which is earlier than I expected. Thanks for the reminder - I definitely don't want to be rushing around at the last minute with this complex filing.

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Sydney Torres

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of checking whether your state allows "after-acquired property" clauses in fixture filings. Since you're dealing with restaurant equipment, the debtor might be adding more fixtures over time as the business grows. If your state permits it, you might want to include language like "and all additions, accessions, replacements, and substitutions thereof" in your collateral description. This could save you from having to file amendments every time they bolt down a new piece of equipment. Just make sure your security agreement supports this broader coverage.

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Aisha Rahman

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Just to close the loop on this - Delaware filing is definitely correct for your LLC debtor. File against the exact legal name from the Delaware Secretary of State records, include detailed equipment descriptions, and you should be good to go. The Texas location of the equipment doesn't affect filing jurisdiction for standard personal property.

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Thanks everyone. This thread has been incredibly helpful. Going with Delaware and will triple-check the entity name before submitting.

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Good luck with the filing! Always nerve-wracking on large transactions but sounds like you've got it figured out.

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One additional consideration for your Delaware filing - make sure to check if the LLC has any amendments or name changes since formation. I've seen cases where the current operating name differs from the original charter name, and you need to file against the exact legal name as registered with Delaware SOS. Also, with an $850K transaction, consider whether you want to include after-acquired property language in your collateral description to cover any future equipment purchases. This can provide additional security without needing separate filings later.

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Great points about checking for amendments! I'm new to UCC filings and hadn't considered that the operating name might differ from the charter name. Is there a specific Delaware SOS database where you can verify the current exact legal name, or do you need to pull a certificate of good standing each time?

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Chloe Zhang

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One thing I'd add is to ask your bank about their specific timeline for the cautionary filing. Some lenders file these 30-60 days before closing, while others do it much closer to the loan date. Since your equipment installation is in 30 days, you'll want to make sure the timing aligns properly with your funding needs. Also, if you're working with any equipment vendors or other creditors, give them a heads up about the filing so they're not caught off guard when they run UCC searches. Transparency goes a long way in maintaining good business relationships during the loan process.

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LongPeri

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This is really practical advice about the timeline coordination. I hadn't thought about giving our equipment vendors a heads up, but that makes total sense. They probably run credit checks and UCC searches as part of their approval process. Better to explain upfront that it's just a cautionary filing rather than let them wonder what's going on with our financing. Thanks for thinking of that detail!

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Zainab Ahmed

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I went through something similar last year with a $200k equipment loan. The key thing that helped me was getting a clear written timeline from the bank about their cautionary filing process. My lender filed the cautionary UCC about 45 days before closing, then amended it with specific equipment details once we finalized the purchase agreements. What really saved me headaches was asking for copies of everything they filed - you'd be surprised how often there are small errors in debtor names or addresses that are easier to catch early. Also, make sure your loan agreement specifically references what happens to the cautionary filing at closing. Some banks automatically terminate and refile, others just amend. Having that clarity upfront prevents confusion later when you're trying to track what's actually on file against your company.

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CosmicCadet

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As someone new to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where we're trying to figure out equipment definitions for our first UCC filing. One question that keeps coming up - when you mention "including but not limited to" language, does that create any risk of the description being too broad? Our attorney mentioned something about needing to be "reasonably specific" but I'm not sure where that line is drawn. Also, for those who've used document checking tools like Certana.ai, do they help with initial filings or just amendments and continuations?

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Sofia Torres

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Welcome to the UCC filing world! The "including but not limited to" language is actually pretty standard and generally accepted by filing offices - it gives you specificity for important items while maintaining broad coverage. The key is balancing it with enough concrete examples that it's not just a meaningless catch-all. As for Certana.ai, it works for all types of UCC filings, not just amendments. It's really helpful for initial filings too since it can catch formatting issues and ensure your collateral descriptions are consistent throughout the document. Much better to find problems before you submit than after you get a rejection notice!

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As a newcomer to UCC filings, I'm finding this discussion really enlightening! I'm curious about the timing aspect - if you have dual-use equipment like those computers that change function, do you need to file amendments every time their primary use shifts? Or does the functional category language like "computer equipment used in debtor's business operations" provide enough flexibility that you're covered regardless of whether they're being used for manufacturing or office work on any given day? Also wondering if there are any industry-specific considerations for equipment definitions that might not be obvious to someone just starting out with these filings.

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