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Just wanted to chime in as another data point - filed a UCC-1 in NY about 3 weeks ago and can confirm it was $20. The online filing system is pretty straightforward once you navigate to the right section. One thing I'd add to what others have mentioned about name accuracy - also double-check that your business address matches exactly what's on your state registration. I almost made that mistake but caught it during review. The Secretary of State's search function is also useful for checking existing filings to see how similar businesses format their information. For your restaurant equipment, you should be good with the standard $20 fee as long as you only have one debtor entity.

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That's really helpful confirmation on the $20 fee! Thanks for the tip about checking the business address against state registration - that's exactly the kind of detail that could cause a rejection. Good point about using the search function to see how other similar businesses format their filings too. It sounds like as long as I'm careful with the details, this should be straightforward for a single debtor entity.

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I've been handling UCC filings in NY for several years and can confirm the $20 fee is still current for 2025. A few practical tips for your restaurant equipment filing: First, make sure you have your exact legal business name from your Articles of Incorporation or LLC formation documents - don't go by your DBA or trade name. Second, for the collateral description, keep it broad but relevant like "restaurant equipment, kitchen appliances, furniture and fixtures" rather than listing every individual item. Third, if you're unsure about any details, the NY Secretary of State UCC division is actually pretty helpful if you call them directly. They can clarify specific questions about your filing. Since you mentioned this is for $85K in equipment, your lender will probably want to see the filed UCC-1 before closing, so factor in the 1-2 business day processing time. Good luck with your equipment financing!

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This is incredibly thorough advice - thank you! I really appreciate the practical tips, especially about using the exact legal name from incorporation documents rather than DBA. That could have been another easy mistake to make. The suggestion to call the NY Secretary of State UCC division directly is great too - sometimes it's worth just picking up the phone when you have specific questions. Your point about factoring in the 1-2 day processing time for lender requirements is spot on since timing can be critical for loan closings. Thanks for taking the time to share such detailed guidance!

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One more thing - make sure you get your filing receipts and confirmation numbers. Georgia's system usually emails them automatically but sometimes they end up in spam folders. You'll need those for your closing documents.

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I always print or save PDFs of the confirmation pages too, just in case the email doesn't come through.

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Good practice. The confirmation pages have all the key info you need - filing number, date, time stamp.

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses! This is exactly what I needed. Sounds like I should budget $100 for the 10 UCC-1 filings at $10 each, plus maybe an extra $30 for any potential rejections. I'm definitely going to triple-check all the debtor names against the corporate charters before submitting - those rejection stories are scary when you're on a tight deadline. I might look into that Certana.ai tool a few people mentioned for the document verification. Really appreciate all the practical tips about the portal, confirmation emails, and collateral descriptions. This community is invaluable for getting real-world insights beyond what's on the official websites!

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Welcome to the community! Great to see someone else who values getting real-world insights from practitioners. The advice here is spot-on - I've been filing UCCs for about 3 years now and the debtor name matching issue is probably the #1 cause of rejections I see. Your budget looks reasonable with that buffer for potential refiling. One small tip I'd add: when you're reviewing those corporate charters, pay attention to punctuation and spacing too, not just the actual words. I once had a rejection because there was an extra space in the middle of a company name that wasn't visible in the PDF I was working from. Good luck with your closing!

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Just to add another perspective - I've been doing UCC filings for about 8 years now and can confirm that business inventory and equipment always require filing for perfection. The automatic perfection rules are really narrow and designed for specific consumer scenarios where the administrative burden of filing would be excessive. For your $85K inventory + $30K equipment situation, you're definitely in filing territory. Also worth noting that even if automatic perfection somehow applied (which it doesn't here), you'd still want to file anyway because it gives you better priority protection and clearer notice to other potential creditors. The filing fees are minimal compared to the risk of having an unperfected security interest. Better to over-file than under-file in commercial lending.

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Absolutely agree with the "better to over-file than under-file" approach. I'm relatively new to secured lending but that's been my takeaway from every experienced attorney I've talked to. The cost-benefit analysis always favors filing when there's any doubt. Thanks for sharing your 8 years of experience - really helpful to hear from someone who's seen how this plays out in practice.

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This is a great discussion and really helpful for someone new to secured lending. I'm just starting out in commercial finance and the distinction between automatic perfection and filing requirements was confusing me too. From everything I'm reading here, it sounds like the rule of thumb is: when dealing with business/commercial collateral (inventory, equipment, etc.), always file the UCC-1. Automatic perfection is really just for specific consumer goods scenarios where filing would be impractical. The point about priority protection is especially important - even if automatic perfection might technically apply in some edge case, the filed UCC-1 gives you better standing against other creditors. For the minimal cost of filing, it seems like the obvious choice for business loans. Thanks everyone for breaking this down so clearly!

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Exactly! You've got it right. I'm also fairly new to this area and found this thread super educational. The consensus is clear - for any commercial/business collateral, filing is the way to go. The automatic perfection rules seem to be more of a legal curiosity than something that applies in most real-world commercial lending situations. Really appreciate everyone sharing their practical experience here.

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Final thought - don't underestimate the importance of good customer support from your data vendor. When you have questions about specific filings or need help interpreting the data, you want to be able to reach someone who understands UCC filings, not just a generic tech support person.

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This is so true. We switched vendors partly because their support team actually understood secured transactions and could help interpret unusual filings.

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Good support is worth paying extra for. The time savings alone usually justifies the cost.

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This is such a comprehensive discussion - thanks everyone for sharing your experiences! As someone new to UCC data purchasing, I'm really appreciating all the practical advice here. One question I haven't seen addressed yet: how do you typically validate the completeness of purchased data? I'm worried about missing filings that should be in the dataset. Do vendors provide any kind of coverage guarantees or ways to spot-check against the actual Secretary of State records?

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Great question about data completeness! From my experience, most reputable vendors will provide some kind of coverage statement, but it's rarely a guarantee. What I usually do is pick a few random dates and filing numbers from a state's SOS website and cross-check them against the vendor's dataset. You can also compare total filing counts by state/month - if the numbers are way off from what the SOS reports, that's a red flag. Some vendors will give you a sample dataset for testing before purchase, which is perfect for this kind of validation.

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Another approach I've used is to focus on high-volume filers in your market - like major banks or equipment finance companies - and manually verify a sample of their recent filings against what shows up in the purchased dataset. These institutional filers usually have predictable filing patterns, so gaps become pretty obvious. Also, if you're working with Certana.ai or similar verification tools that @Lena Müller and @Eduardo Silva mentioned, you can upload some known filings from the SOS directly and see if the vendor s version'matches exactly. Discrepancies in basic fields like filing dates or debtor names are usually signs of incomplete data extraction.

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Article 9 security interest perfection seems simple until you actually start doing it. Between debtor name requirements, collateral descriptions, fixture issues, and multi-state complications, there's so many ways to mess it up. At least once you get perfection right, you're generally in good shape priority-wise.

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Thanks everyone for all the insights. Sounds like we're on the right track but definitely need to be more careful about the fixture analysis and make sure our collateral descriptions are bulletproof.

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Good luck with your perfection issues! Article 9 is complicated but at least it's mostly standardized across states.

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As someone new to equipment financing, this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm just starting to understand UCC Article 9 perfection requirements and had no idea about the fixture vs personal property distinction. It sounds like the key issues to watch for are: 1) proper debtor names on UCC-1 filings, 2) adequate collateral descriptions that cover everything, 3) fixture analysis for permanently attached equipment, 4) PMSI timing requirements (20 days), and 5) continuation filings every 5 years. The mention of automated tools like Certana for document checking is intriguing - seems like it could help catch those costly technical errors before they become problems. Thanks for sharing all this practical knowledge!

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Welcome to the UCC perfection nightmare club! You've got a great summary of the key issues. One thing I'd add as a fellow newcomer who learned this the hard way - don't forget about the different state filing requirements if your borrowers operate across state lines. Even with the same UCC system, each state can have slightly different requirements for things like corporate suffixes or LLC designations in debtor names. Also worth noting that while Certana sounds useful for catching document mismatches, you'll still need good legal counsel for the fixture analysis since that's such a fact-specific determination. The 20-day PMSI window is absolutely critical - I've seen deals lose their super-priority status because someone was a day late with the filing!

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