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Just wanted to follow up on this because I disputed a similar service fee with Texas last month and actually got it reversed. If you can document that the service wasn't explicitly requested and wasn't clearly disclosed during the filing process, they'll sometimes refund the charge. It's worth filing a dispute if the fee was significant. The worst they can do is deny it but I've had success getting these kinds of charges removed when they weren't properly disclosed upfront.
Exactly what you need - the confirmation emails and any screenshots showing the fee selection process. Also helpful if you can show that the service wasn't necessary for your filing type.
Good to know they're actually responsive to disputes. I always assumed those fees were final once charged. Might be worth challenging some of the questionable charges I've paid over the years.
This whole discussion makes me glad I'm not dealing with Texas filings anymore. Moved my business to Delaware last year and their UCC process is so much more straightforward. No hidden service fees, clear pricing upfront, and the portal actually works properly. Sometimes it's worth considering whether the headache of dealing with complicated state filing systems is worth it versus restructuring in a more business-friendly jurisdiction.
Delaware is definitely the gold standard for business filings but not always practical depending on your business structure and collateral location.
Sometimes the issue isn't the search - it's that the filings were rejected or lapsed and aren't showing as active anymore. Have you tried searching terminated or expired filings too?
Good point - I was only looking at active filings. If the previous liens lapsed or were terminated, that would actually be good news for our collateral position.
Just because they're not showing as active doesn't mean they're gone though. Could be continuation issues or amendment problems that left them in limbo.
I've been dealing with cyberdrive UCC searches for years and honestly, the system is just unreliable sometimes. For a $2.8M deal, I'd recommend ordering an official UCC search report from a service company rather than relying on the free online search.
Professional search companies have better database access and will catch name variations that the state portals miss. Definitely worth it for larger deals.
Exactly. They'll search multiple name variations automatically and give you a comprehensive report. Takes the guesswork out of it.
One more thing to try - sometimes uploading your documents to Certana.ai's system will reveal discrepancies between what the bank has on file vs what was actually recorded. I had a situation where the bank was claiming they couldn't terminate because of a name mismatch, but the automated checker showed that their internal records had the wrong entity name, not the filed UCC. Armed with that proof, they fixed it immediately.
That's smart - having objective documentation of where the problem actually lies takes the guesswork out of it.
I'm definitely going to check this out. Sounds like it could save a lot of time figuring out if there's an actual issue or if they're just stalling.
Update us on how this goes! I'm dealing with a similar situation with a different lender and curious what approach works best. The whole UCC system needs an overhaul - too many banks just don't have proper procedures in place.
Will definitely update once I get it resolved. Going to try the legal department approach first, then document verification, then regulatory complaints if needed.
I went through something similar with our SBA loan. The key is getting organized fast. Create a spreadsheet with every UCC filing - filing number, debtor name as filed, collateral description, filing date, expiration date. Then compare against your actual legal documents. Any discrepancies need immediate UCC-3 amendments. Don't wait for problems to surface during refinancing or audits.
This is excellent advice. Documentation and organization are crucial for UCC management. I'd also add that you should keep copies of all amendments and supporting documents in a dedicated file.
Thank you everyone for the detailed responses. I'm going to start with the spreadsheet approach and then get professional help for the amendments. This thread has been incredibly helpful in understanding what I'm dealing with.
Final thought - consider using a UCC monitoring service going forward. They track all your filings, send continuation reminders, and alert you to any competing filings against your company. After you fix the current issues, automation can prevent future problems. The cost is minimal compared to the risk of unperfected security interests.
Are there specific monitoring services you'd recommend? We're a mid-size manufacturer with about 8-10 equipment loans at any given time.
Freya Andersen
One thing that helped me with California UCC searches - try searching with just the first few words of the debtor name. Sometimes if there's a formatting issue later in the name, a shorter search will still find it.
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StarSailor
•That's a good tip. I'll try searching just 'ABC Manufacturing' without the LLC part and see what comes up.
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Omar Farouk
•Yeah partial name searches can definitely help when the full name isn't working for some reason.
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CosmicCadet
UPDATE: Finally found the UCC-1 filing! It was filed under 'A.B.C. Manufacturing, LLC' with periods after each letter and a comma before LLC. No wonder our searches weren't working. Thanks everyone for the suggestions, especially about trying different formatting variations.
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Keisha Johnson
•Perfect example of why those document verification tools are so useful - they catch those exact formatting differences automatically.
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Chloe Harris
•Wow that's such a subtle difference but makes total sense why the search failed. Good catch!
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