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Check if any of the equipment financing was done through captive finance companies. They sometimes file under their own name as secured party but with confusing debtor name formats.
Captive finance companies often have multiple legal entities. John Deere Financial might file under John Deere Credit, John Deere Capital Corporation, etc.
You can also try searching by secured party name to see all their filings, then look for your target debtor in those results.
Honestly at this point I'd recommend getting a professional UCC search company involved. For acquisition due diligence the cost is worth it vs missing a major lien. They have better search tools and know all the state-specific quirks.
CT Corporation and CSC both do thorough UCC searches. They cost more but they're comprehensive and they'll certify their results.
Or try that Certana tool I mentioned earlier for a quick verification first. Upload your loan docs and see if it flags any name inconsistencies before you pay for a full professional search.
Update: Tried the Certana.ai tool mentioned earlier and it actually caught 3 UCC filings I missed with my manual searches. Two were name variation issues (missing vs included middle initials) and one was filed under a related entity I didn't think to search. Definitely worth using for complex commercial deals where you can't afford to miss anything.
That's a relief! Glad you found a solution that worked. Illinois UCC searches are such a nightmare without better tools.
Good to know. I've been manually doing these searches and it's such a time sink, especially when you're not sure if you've found everything.
I just went through this exact same issue last month with a multi-entity deal in Illinois! What saved me was creating a spreadsheet with every possible name variation before I even started searching - legal names from articles of incorporation, DBAs, names with/without punctuation, abbreviated vs spelled out terms like "LLC" vs "Limited Liability Company", etc. Then I systematically searched each variation and cross-referenced the results. Found 4 additional UCC filings that way that I would have completely missed otherwise. The IL system is definitely broken but being methodical about name variations is the only way to be confident you're not missing liens.
I just wanted to echo what everyone else has said about being meticulous with the debtor name - it really cannot be overstated how important this is! I made the mistake of using the "doing business as" name instead of the legal entity name on my first attempt and got rejected immediately. What saved me on the second try was actually calling the Florida Division of Corporations help line (850-245-6052) before submitting. They couldn't tell me exactly what to put, but they confirmed that I needed to use the exact name from the state registration, including all punctuation and spacing. The representative was actually quite helpful and patient with my questions. Also, for the collateral description, I found it helpful to look at sample UCC-1 forms online to see how others described similar types of equipment. Just make sure whatever examples you find are recent and from Florida specifically, since requirements can vary by state and change over time.
This is such valuable insight about using the legal entity name versus the DBA name - that's definitely a distinction I wouldn't have thought about as a newcomer! The tip about calling the help line is really helpful too. I was hesitant to bother them with questions, but it sounds like they're there to help with exactly these kinds of procedural clarifications. And you're absolutely right about looking at sample forms - I'll make sure to find Florida-specific examples rather than just generic ones. Thanks for sharing that phone number too, it's good to know there's a real person I can talk to if I get stuck during the process!
Wow, this thread is incredibly thorough and has already answered so many questions I didn't even know I should be asking! As someone completely new to UCC filings, I'm curious about one aspect that hasn't been covered yet - timing. How far in advance of my loan closing should I file the UCC-1? My lender mentioned they need the filing to be completed before they can fund the loan, but they didn't give me specific timing requirements. Is this something I should do a week before closing, or can it be done the same day? Also, if there are any delays or rejections, how does that typically affect loan closing timelines? I want to make sure I plan enough buffer time so I don't accidentally delay my funding because of UCC filing issues.
Great question about timing! From my experience as someone who recently went through this process, I'd recommend filing the UCC-1 at least 3-5 business days before your loan closing date. While the electronic filing in Florida is processed immediately and you get confirmation within minutes, you want to build in buffer time in case of rejections or technical issues. I've seen situations where people tried to do it the day of closing and ran into problems - maybe the system was down for maintenance, or they had a typo that required resubmission. Your lender will typically want to see the filed UCC-1 (with the official filing number) as part of their final loan documentation review, which usually happens 24-48 hours before funding. If you do get a rejection, it might take a day or two to figure out what went wrong, fix it, and resubmit - so that extra cushion time is really valuable. Better to have it done early and one less thing to worry about during the already stressful loan closing process!
As someone who just went through this process a few months ago, I can confirm everything others have said about Texas SOS being the right place to file. One thing that really helped me was calling the Texas SOS UCC division directly (they have a dedicated phone line) to verify my collateral description before I submitted. The staff there were surprisingly helpful and could tell me right away if my description would work or if it needed tweaking. Saved me from potential rejections and having to refile. Their number is on the SOS website under the UCC section. Also, since you mentioned time pressure, you might want to ask your lender if they can review your UCC draft before you file it - most experienced commercial lenders have seen enough of these to spot issues quickly. Better to catch problems before filing than deal with amendments later.
That's really smart advice about calling the UCC division directly! I didn't even know they had a dedicated line for questions. This whole thread has been incredibly helpful - I was honestly panicking about messing this up since my lender keeps stressing how critical it is to get the filing right. Sounds like between verifying my corporate name through the Texas business search, double-checking my collateral description against my loan docs, and potentially calling the SOS office if I have questions, I should be able to get this done properly. Really appreciate everyone taking the time to share their experiences!
Just wanted to chime in as someone who's been through the UCC filing maze more times than I care to count. Everyone here has given you solid advice - Texas SOS is definitely the way to go, and their online system is actually pretty decent once you get the hang of it. One thing I'd add that might help with your timeline pressure: if you're really stressed about getting everything perfect on the first try, consider having a commercial finance attorney do a quick review of your UCC draft before you file. I know it's an extra cost, but for a construction business with equipment financing, getting the collateral description wrong could create real problems down the road. Most attorneys who do this stuff regularly can review a UCC-1 in about 15 minutes and spot issues that might not be obvious to someone who doesn't file these regularly. Given that your lender is already pushing you and you're behind on closing, the small upfront cost might be worth the peace of mind. Just another option to consider!
That's a really good point about getting attorney review, especially for equipment financing where the collateral descriptions can get tricky. I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now - first time filing a UCC and my lender's urgency is making me second-guess everything. The attorney review option sounds like it might be worth the cost for the peace of mind. Do you happen to know roughly what attorneys typically charge for a quick UCC review like that? I'm trying to weigh the cost against the risk of getting it wrong and having to deal with amendments or worse, issues with the security interest.
Eva St. Cyr
Thanks everyone for the clarification! This really helps clear up my confusion. I was overthinking it by focusing on the end buyer's use instead of how the debtor uses the collateral. So for my appliance repair shop client, the refurbished washers/dryers sitting in their showroom are definitely inventory since they're held for sale in the ordinary course of business. I'll stick with the inventory classification on the UCC-1 and describe it clearly as "all inventory of appliances and related goods held for sale." Appreciate all the practical examples - especially the car dealer analogy that really drove the point home.
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Lincoln Ramiro
•Welcome to the community! You've got it exactly right - focusing on the debtor's use rather than the end buyer's intended use is the key distinction that trips up a lot of people when they're starting out with UCC classifications. Your collateral description sounds spot on too. It's great to see someone asking the right questions before filing rather than having to fix it with amendments later!
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Lara Woods
As someone new to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly educational! I've been struggling with similar classification questions on my first few commercial deals. The distinction between looking at the debtor's use versus the end buyer's use is so important but not immediately intuitive. I made a similar mistake on a recent filing for a small electronics retailer where I almost classified their inventory as "consumer electronics" instead of just "inventory." Thankfully caught it before submission, but it really highlights how easy it is to get confused by the nature of the goods rather than focusing on how the debtor actually uses them in their business. The car dealer example really crystallized this concept for me - thank you all for sharing your expertise!
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