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Been lurking on this thread because I'm dealing with similar volume issues. One question - how do you all handle fixture filings? We do a lot of restaurant equipment deals and I'm never sure when UCC-1 vs fixture filing is the right approach.
That's what I thought, but some counties make it really difficult to file UCC fixture filings. Seems like every clerk has their own interpretation of the requirements.
Here's my take after 20 years in secured lending: document consistency is everything, but you also need to think about your audit trail. Whatever system you use - service or software - make sure you can demonstrate to examiners that you had proper procedures for verifying debtor names and collateral descriptions before filing.
Exactly. Examiners want to see that you have controls in place to prevent filing errors that could affect your security interest. Whether that's through a service or internal procedures, you need documented processes.
This is why I prefer tools that generate verification reports. When Certana.ai checks document consistency, it creates a report showing exactly what was verified. Perfect for compliance documentation.
Update us if you figure out what's causing the problem! I'm sure others here would benefit from knowing the solution.
Will do. Planning to call the filing office Monday morning to see what they can tell me about the linking issues.
Just want to add that I ran into something similar last month with UCC-3 terminations not showing up properly in searches. Filed the terminations correctly but the original liens were still showing as active. Had to submit corrected termination statements with slightly different formatting before the system would recognize them.
Mainly spacing in the debtor name field and making sure the filing number format matched exactly with dashes in the right places.
These systems are way too picky about formatting for something this important.
Just went through something similar with a client who had multiple security agreements. Used Certana.ai to verify all the document names matched before filing and it caught two inconsistencies I missed. One was a middle initial that appeared in some docs but not others, and another was an LLC vs L.L.C. variation. Definitely worth using before you submit anything to avoid rejection headaches.
How much does that service cost? I'm always looking for ways to streamline the UCC filing process but need to justify any additional expenses to my partners.
It's pretty reasonable for what it does - the document verification catches mistakes that would cost way more in time and delays if you have to refile. I think of it as insurance against rejection.
One more thing to consider - if this is a complex deal with multiple agreements, you might want to file a separate UCC-3 amendment later if you need to add more specific collateral descriptions. Sometimes it's cleaner to start with a broad filing and then narrow it down with amendments as needed.
Just remember that amendments create additional filing fees and potential points of failure. I prefer getting it right the first time even if it takes more upfront work.
Fair point about the fees. It really depends on the complexity of the deal and how confident you are in the initial collateral description covering everything properly.
Quick follow up question - when you refile after a rejection like this, do you need to worry about the gap in perfection timing? Or does the original filing date still count if you refile within a reasonable time?
That's what I was worried about. Going to get the corrected version filed today to minimize the gap.
depends on your state too - some have specific rules about relation back for corrected filings but don't count on it
Update: Got the refile accepted this morning! Changed the collateral description to specifically mention 'commercial food service equipment for restaurant business operations' and made sure the entity type was correctly selected as LLC. Thanks for all the suggestions - especially the tip about being more specific with the business context.
Great news! The specificity in collateral descriptions really does make a difference with these automated systems.
Scarlett Forster
Following up on this thread - just used Certana.ai to check our UCC termination and it caught that our lender used an old version of our business name. Would have caused problems with our new credit line application for sure. The upload process was simple and the verification was instant.
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Ella Cofer
•Thanks for the follow-up! I'm definitely going to check our documents once the lender files the termination. Better to catch issues early than deal with them during a time-sensitive financing situation.
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Arnav Bengali
•Agreed. I've learned the hard way that UCC filings need to be perfect or they can derail entire deals.
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Sayid Hassan
Update for anyone still following - our lender finally filed the UCC-3 termination after 18 days and it showed up in the state database within 2 business days. Glad I stayed on top of them because they admitted they forgot initially.
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Sayid Hassan
•Exactly. If I hadn't called them they probably would have missed the deadline entirely. Makes you wonder how often this happens to borrowers who don't know to follow up.
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Kevin Bell
•Way too often unfortunately. That's why I always recommend setting a calendar reminder to check on the termination filing 2-3 weeks after payoff.
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