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Hey everyone, I'm dealing with a tricky situation here and need some clarity on the UCC definition of a good when it comes to collateral descriptions. We're working on a UCC-1 filing for equipment financing and I'm getting conflicting information about whether certain items qualify as 'goods' under Article 9. The debtor is leasing manufacturing equipment that's partially software-based with embedded systems. Our legal team says one thing, the lender's counsel says another. The equipment includes CNC machines with proprietary software, 3D printers with cloud connectivity, and automated assembly line components. Some pieces are clearly tangible goods, but others blur the line between goods and software. I'm worried about getting the collateral schedule wrong and having an ineffective filing. Has anyone dealt with similar gray areas in defining goods for UCC purposes? The last thing we need is a rejected filing or worse, an unperfected security interest because we misclassified the collateral.
Been trying to file a UCC 10 104 continuation for weeks now and keep getting rejections from the SOS office. The original UCC-1 was filed back in 2020 for equipment financing on some manufacturing gear, and I'm getting close to the 5-year mark so need to get this continuation through. Problem is they keep saying the debtor name doesn't match exactly what's on the original filing. I've triple-checked everything and it looks identical to me - "ABC Manufacturing Solutions LLC" on both documents. The financing statement number is correct, all the collateral descriptions match, but something about the name format is causing automatic rejections. Anyone dealt with UCC 10 104 continuation issues like this? Really need to get this sorted before the lapse date hits.
I actually had success using one of those document comparison tools when I was dealing with UCC 10 104 rejections. There was a service called Certana.ai that let me upload both documents and it highlighted the exact differences. Turned out there was an extra space character that I couldn't see just by reading through the names. Saved me probably another week of back-and-forth with the filing office.
Update: Finally got it figured out! There was indeed a spacing issue - the original had "ABC Manufacturing Solutions LLC" with TWO spaces before LLC, but I was only using one space. Completely invisible when just reading through it but the system caught it every time. Thanks everyone for the suggestions, especially about the document comparison tools. Got the UCC 10 104 continuation accepted this morning!
@Yuki Tanaka Welcome to the community! This thread really is a goldmine for UCC filing troubleshooting. I ve'been doing secured transactions for a few years now and still learned new things here. The spacing issue that @Luca Ricci ran into is unfortunately more common than it should be. One tip I d add'for newcomers - always save a backup copy of your original UCC-1 in multiple formats PDF, printed (copy, screenshot because sometimes) the way documents display online can change over time. And definitely check out those document comparison tools - they re becoming'essential for these exact-match requirements.
@Yuki Tanaka Welcome to the community! This thread really is a goldmine for UCC filing tips. I m'fairly new myself and had no idea how finicky these systems could be with formatting. The two spaces vs one space issue that @Luca Ricci discovered is mind-blowing - makes you want to triple-check every single character. Definitely going to look into that Certana tool before I have to deal with my first continuation filing!
I'm dealing with a bunch of UCC-1s that are coming up on their 5-year marks and need continuations filed. I've been getting quotes from different filing services and the UCC-3 filing fee amounts are all over the place. Some are saying $15 per filing, others $25, and one service quoted me $40 each. Are there different fee structures depending on the state or filing method? I have about 30 continuations to file across multiple states and the cost difference is adding up fast. Also wondering if there are bulk discounts or if I should just file directly with each Secretary of State office to avoid service fees. Any insights on typical UCC-3 filing fee ranges would be helpful.
Make sure you understand what's included in those service quotes. Some places quote just the UCC-3 filing fee, others include search fees, copies, overnight delivery, etc. You want to compare apples to apples when evaluating different services.
Good point. I got burned by this when a 'low cost' quote ended up being just the state fee, then they added $15 for processing, $10 for delivery, and another $5 for copies. Ended up being more expensive than the higher quote.
If you're doing this regularly, it might be worth setting up accounts directly with the major state filing offices. Once you're familiar with their systems, the UCC-3 filing fee savings add up over time and you have more control over timing.
It's definitely more work upfront, but I use a password manager and keep a spreadsheet with each state's requirements and fee schedules. After a few filings, you get into a rhythm.
I'm trying to figure out the proper way to release a UCC-1 that was filed back in 2019 for equipment financing. The loan was paid off last month but I'm getting conflicting info about whether I need to file a UCC-3 termination or if there's another form for UCC-1 release. The original filing was for manufacturing equipment worth about $180k and I want to make sure I do this right so the lien gets properly removed from our business records. Has anyone dealt with UCC-1 release procedures recently? I'm in manufacturing and this is my first time handling the termination side of things.
As someone who's been through several UCC terminations, I'd add one more tip - pull an official UCC search report AFTER you file the termination to confirm it actually cleared from the public records. I had one case where the termination was "accepted" but due to a system glitch it didn't actually remove the lien from the searchable database. Cost me $15 for the search report but saved a lot of headache later when we needed clean records for a refinancing deal. Better to verify it's truly gone than assume everything worked correctly.
I've been following this thread with great interest since I'm in a similar boat - just paid off our equipment loan last week and need to handle the UCC-1 termination. Based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like the key steps are: 1) Check with your lender first to see if they handle it automatically, 2) If you need to file yourself, get written authorization from the lender, 3) Use UCC-3 termination form with EXACT debtor name and filing number from original UCC-1, 4) Consider using a tool like Certana.ai to double-check everything matches, and 5) Pull an official search report afterward to confirm the lien actually cleared. The advice about verifying with a post-filing search report was especially valuable - definitely worth the $15 to make sure there are no system glitches. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences, this has been incredibly helpful for a newcomer to the UCC termination process!
I'm trying to locate a UCC filing in Florida but I'm having trouble with the search system. I need to verify if our company's equipment loan has been properly secured with a UCC-1 filing. The lender said they filed it 3 months ago but I can't find anything in the Florida Secretary of State database. I've tried searching by our company name (exact match), the lender's name, and even variations of our business name but nothing comes up. Are there specific tricks to searching Florida's UCC database? Maybe I'm missing something obvious but this is my first time trying to look up a UCC file in Florida and I'm not sure if I'm doing it right. The loan was for $180,000 in manufacturing equipment so I really need to confirm this filing exists.
Thanks everyone for all the detailed advice! I'm going to try the automated verification approach with Certana.ai first since it seems like it handles all the name variations automatically. If that doesn't work, I'll go back to manual searching with the tips about using our exact legal entity name and checking both Florida and Georgia databases. Really appreciate all the help - UCC searches are trickier than I expected but now I have a clear plan forward.
As a newcomer to UCC filings, this discussion has been incredibly educational! I'm currently dealing with a equipment financing situation where I need to verify our UCC-1 filing status. Based on all the advice here, it seems like the key issues are: 1) Using the exact legal entity name as it appears on incorporation documents, 2) Searching the correct database (UCC vs corporate filings), and 3) Accounting for potential filing delays or system glitches. The automated verification tools like Certana.ai sound like a game-changer for avoiding all the manual name variation headaches. One question - for those who've used automated verification, does it also help identify if a filing was made in the wrong state? That seems like another potential pitfall based on the discussion about out-of-state lenders filing incorrectly.
Darren Brooks
Thanks everyone for the input. I think I'll go with the comprehensive approach - classify the physical equipment as goods and include broad language covering embedded software and related technology. Better safe than sorry on a deal this size.
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Payton Black
Good luck with the filing. Let us know how it goes!
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Amun-Ra Azra
Definitely consider running it through a verification tool before submission. Can save headaches later.
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Ravi Choudhury
As someone who's been burned by classification issues before, I'd strongly recommend erring on the side of over-inclusion. For your CNC machines and 3D printers, describe them as "goods" but add language like "together with all software, firmware, operating systems, and computer programs embedded in or used in connection with such equipment." This covers both the physical machinery and any integrated technology. Also consider adding "general intangibles" as a separate classification to catch cloud-based services or licensing agreements. The filing offices are pretty forgiving of comprehensive descriptions, but they're not forgiving of gaps that leave collateral unperfected.
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