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Amara Nnamani

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Update us on how the sale goes! Article 9 dispositions can be really educational even when they're stressful. The more you do them the more comfortable you get with the process.

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Diego Vargas

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Will do - hoping this first one goes smoothly so I can build confidence for future dispositions.

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First Article 9 sale is definitely the hardest. You'll be much more comfortable with the second one.

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Diego, you're wise to be thorough with your first Article 9 disposition - the stakes are high and the requirements are complex. A few additional considerations: Make sure you're calculating the redemption amount correctly (outstanding debt plus reasonable expenses) in case the debtor surfaces at the last minute. For the manufacturing equipment, consider getting an independent appraisal to support your marketing strategy and pricing decisions - it's not required but can strengthen your commercially reasonable defense. Also, keep detailed records of the condition of the equipment when you took possession, including photos and any maintenance issues, as this affects fair market value. One thing that often gets overlooked is the timing of your UCC search - you should do a final search close to the sale date to catch any last-minute filings that might affect distribution of proceeds. The equipment market has been volatile lately, so document current market conditions for similar machinery to justify your disposition method and timeline.

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That's really helpful about the final UCC search timing - I hadn't thought about new filings appearing right before sale. How close to the disposition date should I run that final search? And regarding the independent appraisal, would that be something I'd need to disclose to bidders or just keep for internal documentation to support the commercially reasonable standard?

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Sergio Neal

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Great question about timing, Marcus! I typically run that final UCC search within 24-48 hours of the actual disposition - close enough to catch last-minute filings but far enough out to still pivot if something unexpected shows up. As for the independent appraisal, you're not required to disclose it to bidders, but having it in your file demonstrates due diligence in determining fair market value. Some lenders actually provide general market range information to bidders to encourage competitive pricing, but the detailed appraisal can stay internal as documentation of your commercially reasonable efforts. Just make sure your marketing approach aligns with the appraisal conclusions - if it shows the equipment has specialized value, you want to be marketing to those specialized buyers rather than general auctioneers.

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Norman Fraser

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One thing I'd add from my experience is to make sure you coordinate the UCC-1 filing with your loan closing timeline. I've seen deals where the subordination negotiations dragged on for weeks, but the borrower needed the equipment delivered on a specific date. Since the UCC-1 filing and subordination are separate processes, you can usually close your loan and file your UCC-1 right away, then execute the subordination agreement as a post-closing item with a reasonable deadline (like 30-60 days). This keeps the deal moving while giving everyone time to work through the subordination details. Just make sure this approach is acceptable to all parties upfront and document it in your loan commitment. The key is not letting perfect be the enemy of good when it comes to getting your security interest perfected and the borrower's financing in place.

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Andre Laurent

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This is really practical advice! I've been in situations where deals almost fell apart because everyone was trying to get every single document perfect before moving forward. Your point about treating subordination as a post-closing item is smart - it gives you the security of having your lien perfected while still accommodating the senior lender's requirements. I'm curious though - do you typically see resistance from senior lenders to this approach, or are they generally okay with a reasonable post-closing deadline for the subordination agreement? I imagine some banks might be more flexible than others on this timing issue.

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Dylan Wright

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Great thread - this really highlights how UCC filing and subordination get conflated when they're completely different processes. From a practical standpoint, I always tell my team to think of it as two parallel tracks: Track 1 is perfecting your security interest through proper UCC-1 filing (which is mandatory for enforceability), and Track 2 is negotiating payment priority through subordination agreements (which is optional but often required by senior lenders). The critical mistake I see people make is holding up Track 1 waiting for Track 2 to be resolved. Your $120K equipment financing deal should move forward with UCC-1 filing immediately - that blanket lien from their primary lender doesn't prevent you from filing, it just means you need to work out the priority arrangement separately. File your UCC-1 now, get your security interest perfected, then let the lawyers handle the subordination paperwork. Don't let subordination negotiations delay your perfection - I've seen too many deals where another creditor swooped in during extended negotiations and filed first.

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Bottom line - you need to resolve this before any continuation deadlines hit. I'd recommend: 1) Pull all corporate records for each entity name, 2) Contact the secured party for clarification, 3) Review any UCC-3 amendments that might clarify the intended debtors, 4) If still unclear, consider filing protective continuations against all name variations to preserve priority while you sort it out.

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Everett Tutum

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Better to overpay for protective filings than lose lien priority due to a missed continuation. The stakes are usually too high to risk it.

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Thais Soares

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Thanks everyone - this gives me a solid roadmap for sorting out the Vangarde Group situation. I'll start with the corporate records pull and secured party contact, then decide on protective continuations if needed.

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I'm just getting started in UCC practice and this thread is incredibly helpful! Question for the group - when you're doing Secretary of State searches across multiple jurisdictions like this, is there a preferred order to search in? Should I start with the state where the business appears to be operating, or the state of incorporation? And are there any red flags in the corporate records that would immediately tell me I'm dealing with filing errors versus legitimate separate entities?

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Aisha Khan

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Great question! For search strategy, I'd recommend starting with the state where the UCC filings were made (since that's where the collateral is likely located), then check the state of incorporation shown on any corporate documents you can find. Red flags to watch for: 1) Identical registered agents across "different" entities, 2) Sequential incorporation dates (suggests someone created multiple entities quickly), 3) Same business address for all entities, 4) Articles of incorporation with nearly identical business purposes. If you see these patterns, you're probably looking at either subsidiaries of the same parent company or filing errors rather than truly separate businesses.

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Amina Diallo

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Adding to Aisha's excellent advice - also look for any "assumed name" or "DBA" filings in the Secretary of State records. Sometimes what appears to be separate entities are actually just different trade names for the same underlying company. Another red flag is if the corporate records show the same officers/directors across all the "different" entities. For UCC purposes, you want to identify the actual legal entity that owns the collateral, not just the name they do business under. I learned this the hard way when I filed a UCC-1 against "ABC Services" only to discover later it was just a DBA for "XYZ Corporation LLC" - had to scramble to file an amendment before losing priority to a junior lender who got the debtor name right.

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Bottom line for your compliance audit: UCC liens don't expire in the sense of automatically disappearing. They lose their legal effectiveness after 5 years without continuation, but they remain on public records until terminated. Your institution has obligations to file terminations when underlying debts are satisfied. Focus on getting those terminations filed to protect both your institution and your borrowers.

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Ryan Vasquez

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Thank you all for the incredibly helpful responses! This has clarified the difference between effectiveness and actual expiration. I'm going to start categorizing our filings as suggested and look into that Certana.ai tool for the document verification process. Really appreciate the practical advice on managing the compliance audit.

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Jason Brewer

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Glad this thread was helpful! UCC compliance can be tricky but it's so important to get right. Good luck with your audit!

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Ellie Kim

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One additional consideration for your audit - make sure you're documenting the rationale for each termination decision. We create a simple log showing the original filing date, loan satisfaction date, and reason for termination (loan paid off, collateral released, etc.). This documentation has been invaluable during regulatory examinations, as examiners want to see that you have a systematic process for UCC management, not just ad-hoc cleanups. Also, if you find any filings where you're unsure about the loan status, it's better to research thoroughly before filing a termination - incorrectly terminating an active lien can create serious legal issues.

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Peyton Clarke

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This is excellent advice about documentation! I'm new to UCC compliance and hadn't thought about creating an audit trail for termination decisions. Would you recommend including the loan officer or relationship manager in the review process before filing terminations, especially for larger commercial relationships? I want to make sure we're not inadvertently affecting any ongoing banking relationships by terminating liens.

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Amara Torres

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Just to add another verification option - I started using Certana.ai after making an embarrassing mistake on a fixture filing where I mixed up the legal property description. Now I upload all my fixture filing documents before submission and it catches those kinds of errors. The peace of mind is worth it, especially on larger commercial deals like yours.

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How detailed does it get with the verification? Does it actually check that the legal description matches the property records?

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Amara Torres

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It focuses more on document consistency - making sure your debtor names match across all documents, that you've included all required elements for fixture filings, that sort of thing. Really helpful for catching the technical filing requirements.

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Naila Gordon

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses - this is incredibly helpful! Just to clarify my situation: our debtor does own the manufacturing facility (not leasing), and the HVAC units are definitely being permanently installed with concrete mounting and full electrical integration. Based on what you've all said, it sounds like I definitely need to go the fixture filing route rather than a standard UCC-1. A few follow-up questions: 1) Do I need to get the legal property description from the county recorder's office, or can I use what's on the deed? 2) For the $340K loan amount, are there any additional requirements or just the standard fixture filing process? 3) Should I file this concurrently with closing or can I do it a few days before? Really appreciate this community - fixture filings always made me nervous but you've all helped clarify the key requirements!

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Ian Armstrong

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Welcome to the community! Great questions. For the legal property description, you can usually use what's on the deed, but make sure it's the complete legal description - sometimes deeds have abbreviated versions that won't work for fixture filings. The county recorder can provide the full version if needed. For timing, I'd recommend filing at or before closing to ensure you get proper priority, especially since you mentioned this is a purchase-money security interest. The loan amount doesn't trigger additional requirements - fixture filing process is the same regardless of the dollar amount. Sounds like you're on the right track!

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