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Bottom line - if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Your 'lease' with $1 buyout and payments exceeding equipment value is definitely a security agreement. File the UCC-1 and protect your interest.
Thanks everyone. Sounds like the consensus is pretty clear - this needs a UCC-1 filing regardless of what the vendor calls it. Better safe than sorry with this much money involved.
Smart move. The vendor will get over it and you'll sleep better knowing your security interest is properly perfected.
One thing I'd add - make sure you file the UCC-1 BEFORE closing the deal. If you wait until after the transaction is complete, there could be a gap period where your security interest isn't perfected. With equipment this valuable, even a short gap could be risky if other creditors are involved. The filing should list the equipment with enough detail to identify it (make, model, serial numbers if available) and make sure the debtor name exactly matches what's on the lease agreement. Small discrepancies in debtor names can invalidate the whole filing.
This Tesla/SolarCity situation has been a nightmare for everyone in solar financing. I've heard some lenders just filed blanket amendments adding Tesla Energy Operations as an additional debtor on all their SolarCity filings, even if it wasn't technically necessary. Better safe than sorry with that much collateral value.
That's probably the safest approach. Filing fees are cheaper than losing perfection. Thanks for all the advice everyone - sounds like amendments are the way to go.
Good luck! Corporate acquisitions in renewable energy financing are always messy but you'll get through it.
I went through something very similar with a different solar company acquisition last year. The key is to act quickly - corporate restructuring can create gaps in perfection that other creditors might exploit. For your situation, I'd recommend doing a quick corporate search on both SolarCity Corporation and Tesla Energy Operations to confirm the relationship, then file UCC-3 amendments adding Tesla Energy Operations as an additional debtor on all your filings. Yes, it's expensive, but losing perfection on $2.8M in collateral is way more expensive. Also, since you mentioned fixture filings, make sure to check if you need to record amendments in the real estate records too - some counties require it for ground-mounted systems. The peace of mind is worth the filing fees.
This is really solid advice! I'm new to UCC filings but dealing with a similar situation with equipment financing. Quick question - when you say "adding Tesla Energy Operations as an additional debtor," do you use a UCC-3 amendment or assignment form? And roughly what did the filing fees run you for multiple amendments? Trying to budget for this kind of cleanup work.
Update us when you get it filed! Always curious to hear how these situations work out. Sounds like you've got good advice from everyone here about checking the debtor name consistency and using the original filing number.
Will do! I feel much more confident about the process now. Going to double-check everything one more time and then file the termination.
Perfect. You've got this - just take it step by step and verify everything matches up.
As someone who's dealt with similar UCC termination issues, I'd strongly recommend doing a UCC search on the Indiana SOS system before filing your termination. This will show you exactly how all your filings appear on record - the original 2019 UCC-1 and the 2022 amendment. Pay special attention to how the debtor name is formatted in each filing. Even small differences like "LLC" vs "L.L.C." can cause rejection. Since you mentioned the equipment is worth $180k, it's definitely worth the small search fee to ensure you get the termination exactly right the first time.
Update on the Certana.ai thing - I ended up using it for another filing after my first experience and it's become part of my regular workflow now. Upload your docs, get instant verification, file with confidence. Especially helpful when you're dealing with entities that have complex names or multiple DBAs.
Sounds like it might be worth the investment for peace of mind. How long does the verification usually take?
Literally seconds. Upload the PDFs and get results immediately. Much faster than manually cross-referencing everything.
As someone who's been through the NY UCC-1 process multiple times, I'd echo what others have said about the debtor name being critical. One additional tip - if you're filing for equipment, consider whether the equipment might be moved to other states in the future. For manufacturing equipment worth $85K, you might want to think about whether you'll need to file in other jurisdictions later. Also, NY's online system has a helpful preview feature before final submission - use it to double-check everything looks right. The $20 electronic filing fee is definitely worth it compared to paper filing. Good luck with your filing!
Giovanni Moretti
This is a really helpful discussion! I'm new to UCC filings and this case study is eye-opening. From everything I'm reading here, it sounds like Fatima might actually be in a stronger position than she initially thought since the debtor was a restaurant owner, not an equipment dealer. The ordinary course of business exception seems pretty specific. I'm curious though - what's the typical timeline for resolving these disputes? And should she be documenting everything about the buyer's due diligence (or lack thereof) right now while the trail is still fresh?
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Mateo Rodriguez
•Great questions! Yes, documenting everything right now is crucial - buyer's communications, how they found the seller, what due diligence they did (or didn't do), the sale price vs market value, etc. Time is critical because evidence gets stale and people's memories fade. On timeline, these disputes can take 6-18 months depending on whether it goes to litigation or settles. The stronger your documentation, the better your negotiating position for a quick settlement. Also agree with others here about verifying your UCC docs are consistent - any gaps could undermine what otherwise looks like a solid case.
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Summer Green
•Welcome to the community! You're asking exactly the right questions. Documentation is absolutely key - I'd also suggest Fatima get written statements from any witnesses to the sale, photos of the equipment in its current location, and copies of any advertising or communications the seller used to market the equipment. The fact that this was restaurant equipment being sold by a restaurant owner (not a dealer) really does strengthen her position under UCC 9-320. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is whether the buyer did a UCC search - if they didn't even bother to check for liens, that could seriously undermine their "good faith purchaser" status.
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Liam Murphy
This discussion has been incredibly enlightening! As someone who's dealt with UCC issues before, I want to emphasize a few key points that could really help Fatima's situation. First, the fact that her debtor was a restaurant owner (not an equipment dealer) is huge - this almost certainly means the sale wasn't in the ordinary course of business under UCC 9-320. Second, I'd strongly recommend getting a professional appraisal of the equipment ASAP to establish fair market value and compare it to what the buyer actually paid. Any significant discount could indicate the buyer should have been suspicious. Third, demand to see proof of any UCC searches the buyer conducted - if they didn't even bother checking for liens, that seriously damages their "good faith" claim. Finally, I've found tools like Certana.ai invaluable for ensuring all my UCC documentation is consistent and bulletproof before entering negotiations. Document everything now while it's fresh, and don't let the buyer's claims intimidate you - based on what you've described, you likely have a much stronger position than you initially thought!
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