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Zara Mirza

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Update us when you get it resolved! This is exactly the kind of situation that helps other people know what to expect. UCC termination problems are way more common than they should be.

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Oliver Becker

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Will do! Thanks everyone for the advice. I'm going to call the lender tomorrow morning and if that doesn't work I'll try some of the other suggestions here.

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NebulaNinja

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Good luck! Don't let them brush you off. You have every right to a clean UCC record after satisfying your debt.

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This thread is incredibly helpful - I'm dealing with something similar right now. My lender filed the UCC-3 termination but used a slightly different collateral description than the original UCC-1, so now I have both filings showing up in searches. The new lender's underwriter is flagging it as a potential issue. Has anyone successfully gotten a lender to file a corrected termination statement? I'm wondering if I should push them to withdraw the partial one and file a complete termination, or if there's another way to clean this up.

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Ravi Malhotra

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That's exactly the kind of partial termination problem @Anastasia Kozlov was warning about earlier in this thread. You re'right to be concerned - having both filings active creates ambiguity about what s'actually released. I d'definitely push the original lender to file a corrected UCC-3 that properly terminates the entire original filing. Most lenders will cooperate once you explain it s'blocking your new financing. Document everything in writing so you have a paper trail if they resist.

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Cameron Black

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As someone who just completed their first UCC filing in Illinois last month, I can definitely empathize with that overwhelmed feeling! The cyberdriveillinois.com system is actually pretty straightforward once you get started. Here's what I wish someone had told me upfront: gather your Articles of Incorporation, EIN, and loan documents before you even log into the system. The most critical thing is getting that exact legal business name right - I double and triple-checked mine against my incorporation paperwork. My lender provided me with a template that showed exactly what information they needed in each field, which was super helpful. The $25 electronic filing fee is processed immediately, and you'll get confirmation within minutes. Don't overthink the collateral description too much - "equipment used in debtor's business operations" worked fine for my situation. You've got this! The hardest part is just getting started.

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This is such helpful advice! I'm in a similar boat as the original poster - just starting my first business and feeling completely lost with all the legal requirements. The tip about gathering all your documents first before even logging in is gold. I keep making the mistake of jumping into these systems unprepared and then having to start over multiple times. Did your lender actually provide you with a template? That sounds incredibly useful - I might ask mine if they have something similar.

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Freya Ross

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I just want to echo what everyone else has said about how helpful this community is! As someone who's been through the Illinois UCC filing process twice now (once for equipment financing and once for inventory), I can confirm that the Secretary of State's online system really is user-friendly once you have your documents organized. One additional tip I'd add - if you're financing multiple pieces of equipment over time, consider whether your lender wants you to file separate UCC-1s for each purchase or if they prefer one broader filing that covers future acquisitions. Some lenders have specific preferences about this that can affect your collateral description. Also, keep a copy of your filed UCC-1 in both digital and physical form - I've had lenders ask for copies months later for their compliance reviews. The whole process gets much easier the second time around, so don't stress too much about making it perfect on your first try!

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Mary Bates

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Update: I ended up filing a UCC-3 amendment to specifically include 'intellectual property rights arising from use of equipment and licensing income therefrom' in the collateral description. Client is more comfortable with the explicit coverage and it wasn't expensive. Thanks for all the input. Sometimes the peace of mind is worth the extra filing fee.

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Melina Haruko

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Smart move. That language should cover any future licensing income too.

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Probably wasn't necessary but definitely doesn't hurt to have the explicit coverage.

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NebulaNomad

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As someone new to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm curious about the timing aspect - how long do you typically have to file an amendment after discovering a potential proceeds coverage gap like this? Also, when you're drafting the initial UCC-1, are there any red flags or questions you ask clients upfront to identify potential future proceeds issues? It seems like anticipating these licensing scenarios during the initial filing could save a lot of headaches later. The Certana.ai tool mentioned sounds really useful for someone like me who's still learning to spot these coverage nuances. Thanks for sharing all this practical insight!

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Sounds like you've got a solid plan - Delaware UCC-1 for the corporate debtor and Ohio fixture filing for the bolted-down equipment. Document everything in your file so if anyone questions it later you can show you considered all the options.

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Connor Byrne

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Thanks everyone. This has been incredibly helpful. Going with Delaware for the main filing and will probably do the Ohio fixture filing too just to be safe.

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Amina Sy

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Smart approach. And definitely run your documents through a verification tool before filing - saves so much hassle when the names and details are all consistent from the start.

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StormChaser

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As someone who's dealt with multi-state UCC filings before, I'd echo what others have said about filing in Delaware for the main UCC-1 since that's where the corporation is incorporated. However, given that you mentioned the equipment includes fixtures bolted to concrete in Ohio, I'd strongly recommend doing a dual filing approach - the standard UCC-1 in Delaware for the movable equipment, and a fixture filing in Ohio for anything that's permanently attached to the real estate. The fact that your client's lease mentions the presses as improvements to the property is a pretty strong indicator they should be treated as fixtures. It's worth the extra filing fee to avoid any perfection issues down the road, especially on a significant credit facility where your compliance team is already watching closely.

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Laila Fury

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This dual filing approach makes a lot of sense, especially with the lease language treating the presses as improvements. I'm curious though - when you do fixture filings, do you typically need to involve the real estate records office or does it all go through the Secretary of State? I'm new to this and want to make sure I understand the full process for future deals.

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I do similar volume in Georgia and my total UCC costs run about $200-300 per month including initial filings, amendments, and terminations. Your estimate of 20-30 per month should put you in that ballpark assuming mostly single debtor filings.

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That's really helpful for budgeting. Matches what I was thinking based on the $10 per debtor fee structure.

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Yeah just watch out for those multi-debtor deals. They can throw off your monthly budget if you get a bunch in the same month.

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Lilly Curtis

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One more thing - if you're new to Georgia UCC filings, double check your collateral descriptions. Georgia is pretty liberal compared to some states but you still want to be specific enough. Vague collateral descriptions can cause issues down the road even if the filing gets accepted initially.

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Lilly Curtis

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Equipment is usually pretty easy. Just be specific about make/model/serial numbers when possible. Georgia doesn't require super detailed descriptions but more detail is always better for enforcement.

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Leo Simmons

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I actually run my UCC-1s through Certana.ai before filing to make sure collateral descriptions match my security agreements. Catches inconsistencies that could cause problems later. Small cost compared to potential issues.

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