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Nia Harris

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Bottom line: if you can pick it up and move it and it's not money, it's probably goods. Everything else falls into the other UCC categories. When in doubt, describe it broadly in your collateral schedule and let the lawyers sort out the nuances.

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That's the practical approach but you still need to get the UCC-1 classification boxes right. Can't just check 'all of the above' and hope for the best.

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True, but a comprehensive collateral description covers you better than trying to get too cute with narrow categories and missing something important.

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One thing I always remind people is to think about the UCC's purpose - it's designed to give notice to other potential creditors about what's encumbered. So when you're on the fence about classification, ask yourself: would a reasonable searcher expect to find this type of collateral under the category you're using? For manufacturing companies like yours, I'd typically see a filing that covers both "goods" (for the equipment and inventory) and "general intangibles" (for the licenses and IP). The bolted-down equipment question is trickier - you might need to do a fixtures analysis or even consider a real estate filing depending on how integrated it is with the building. Better to over-secure than under-secure in my experience.

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This is really helpful perspective - the "reasonable searcher" test makes a lot of sense for borderline cases. I hadn't thought about it from that angle before. For the bolted-down equipment, would you typically lean toward a fixture filing as additional protection, or is that overkill if the equipment could still be removed without major building damage?

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Darcy Moore

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One thing to watch out for with NC - they're pretty strict about the continuation statement format. Make sure you're using the current UCC-3 form and that all required fields are completed exactly as specified in the statute.

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Abby Marshall

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Good point about the form version. Is there a specific place to get the current NC UCC-3 form?

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Darcy Moore

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The NC Secretary of State website has the current forms. They update them periodically so always download fresh rather than using old saved versions.

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Dana Doyle

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I've been through this exact situation with mixed collateral in NC. The statute treats equipment and fixtures the same for continuation purposes. Your main focus should be on timing and accuracy rather than worrying about different rules for different collateral types.

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Dana Doyle

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Yeah, the real estate aspects are separate from the UCC continuation requirements. The UCC-1 fixture filing still follows standard Article 9 continuation rules.

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Liam Duke

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This is exactly the kind of confusion that makes me nervous about handling these filings. Too many moving parts.

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Diego Chavez

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I'd also recommend documenting the business rationale for filing early in your deal notes. If you ever face a challenge later (bankruptcy trustee, competing creditor, etc.), having clear documentation that shows this was a legitimate business decision to preserve priority in a competitive lending environment can be helpful. Also make sure your malpractice insurance covers UCC filing issues - some policies have specific exclusions around secured transaction work.

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Daniel Rogers

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Great advice about documenting the business rationale. I hadn't thought about the malpractice insurance angle - that's definitely something to check on. Better to find out now if there are coverage gaps rather than when you need it. The documentation piece is smart too, especially with bankruptcy trustees getting more aggressive about challenging these types of filings.

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Gemma Andrews

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses - this has been really helpful. Based on what you've all shared, it sounds like filing the UCC-1 early is workable but comes with risks I need to manage carefully. The key points I'm taking away are: 1) Make sure the term sheet provides adequate authorization for filing, 2) Keep the collateral descriptions consistent between the UCC-1 and eventual security agreement, 3) Get the security agreement finalized quickly to minimize the gap, and 4) document the business rationale for early filing. I'm also going to look into that Certana.ai tool a few of you mentioned for cross-checking documents. Going to proceed with the filing but with much more attention to these details than I originally planned. Really appreciate the practical experience you've all shared!

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Oscar Murphy

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This is a great summary of best practices! As someone new to UCC filings, I really appreciate seeing how experienced practitioners handle these timing challenges. One question - when you mention keeping collateral descriptions consistent, how specific should the UCC-1 description be if you're still negotiating the exact equipment list in the security agreement? Should I err on the side of being more general in the UCC-1 to avoid mismatches, or be as specific as possible based on what we know now?

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Update us when you figure out what's going on! I'm curious whether it turns out to be a Westlaw display issue or an actual name discrepancy. This kind of situation makes everyone nervous.

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Carmen Vega

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I'll definitely post an update once I sort this out. Thanks everyone for the guidance.

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Paolo Conti

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Same here, following for the resolution. These database quirks can be really confusing.

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Carmen Ortiz

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I've seen this exact scenario play out before and it's worth doing a comprehensive verification process. First, pull the actual UCC-1 filing from the other lender (not just the Westlaw summary) to see exactly how they listed the debtor name. Then cross-reference both your filing and theirs against the company's current articles of incorporation and their most recent annual report with the Secretary of State. The key is ensuring your UCC-1 matches the exact legal name as currently registered with the state - not just what the borrower told you or what appears on their loan application. If there's any discrepancy, file a UCC-3 amendment immediately. With $450K on the line, spending a few hours on verification and potentially $50-100 on an amendment fee is absolutely worth the peace of mind and protection of your security interest.

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Noah Ali

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Bottom line: 5 years from filing date, continuation window starts 6 months before expiration. File early, double-check debtor information, and make sure you're still in the right jurisdiction. You've got this!

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This thread was super helpful. I have a few UCC-1s from 2020 so I need to start thinking about continuations too.

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Glad this discussion helped multiple people. UCC continuation timing is one of those things that seems simple until you're actually doing it.

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PixelWarrior

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As someone new to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm working on my first secured transaction and was completely unaware of the continuation requirements. The 5-year rule with the 6-month filing window makes sense, but I'm curious - are there any common mistakes newcomers make with continuation filings that I should watch out for? Also, does anyone have recommendations for reliable UCC search services to verify current filing status before preparing continuations?

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Welcome to secured transactions! Common newcomer mistakes include: 1) Missing the exact 6-month continuation window (don't file too early or too late), 2) Not checking for debtor name changes since the original filing, 3) Forgetting to verify you're still filing in the correct state if the debtor relocated, and 4) Using outdated collateral descriptions. For UCC searches, most state filing offices have online search tools, or you can use services like CT Corporation or CSC for multi-state searches. Always do a fresh search before filing your continuation to make sure your original UCC-1 is still active and properly indexed.

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