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This thread has been super helpful. I was making this way more complicated than it needed to be. Sounds like I should just proceed with filing our UCC-1 normally and treat the subordination as a separate contract negotiation with the other lender. Thanks everyone for clarifying the distinction between UCC filings and subordination agreements.

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Exactly right. Keep the UCC filing process separate from the subordination contract discussions.

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You've got it. File first, subordinate second if the deal requires it.

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Just went through this exact scenario three weeks ago on a construction equipment deal. The key insight everyone's sharing about subordination being contractual rather than a UCC filing is spot-on. One additional tip from my experience: make sure the subordination agreement includes a clause about what happens if the senior debt gets paid off or modified. We had a situation where the senior lender refinanced their loan but the subordination agreement didn't clearly address whether our junior position automatically moved up or stayed subordinated to the new debt. Ended up requiring an amendment to clarify. Also, definitely verify the senior lender's UCC filing is clean before you agree to anything - we caught an error in their debtor name that would have made their lien unenforceable, which completely changed our negotiating position on the subordination terms.

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Final thought - if you're still having issues, call Maryland directly. Their UCC office staff can sometimes do searches over the phone or give you specific guidance on search terms for your situation. Not fast, but potentially more accurate than wrestling with the portal.

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I think there's a fee for official phone searches but they might give you general guidance for free. Worth calling to ask.

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Their phone staff has always been helpful in my experience. Much better than trying to figure out the portal quirks on your own.

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Maryland's UCC search portal has been problematic for years. One thing that's helped me is clearing browser cache and cookies before searching - sounds basic but their system seems to have session issues that affect search consistency. Also, try searching during off-peak hours (early morning or late evening) when server load is lower. I've noticed more reliable results outside normal business hours. For a $450K deal, you might also want to run searches from multiple devices/browsers to cross-verify your results before finalizing your due diligence.

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That's really helpful about the browser cache and off-peak timing - I hadn't considered that server load might be affecting search consistency. Going to try the early morning approach tomorrow and see if I get more reliable results. The multiple device verification is a smart idea too for something this important.

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Bottom line - yes they're public, no you can't avoid it if you want a perfected security interest, and yes it might create some business relationship discussions for your borrower. But the actual financial details remain private and most sophisticated businesses understand that secured lending is normal. Just make sure your filing is accurate because a rejected UCC-1 gives you zero protection.

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Thanks, this has been really helpful. I think I can explain the situation to my borrower now and help them understand it's not as scary as they initially thought.

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One more tip - consider using that Certana verification tool before filing. I started using it after a couple rejected filings and it's saved me a lot of time and embarrassment. Just upload your docs and it catches the problems before they become problems.

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Just wanted to add my perspective as someone who's dealt with this exact concern many times. The privacy issue is real but manageable - I always recommend being upfront with borrowers about the public nature of UCC filings during the initial loan discussion, not after they've already committed to the deal. That said, I've found that most privacy concerns disappear once borrowers understand that loan amounts, interest rates, and payment terms don't appear in the public record. The filing typically just shows "equipment" or "inventory" as collateral without dollar values or specific details. In my experience, the businesses that worry most about UCC privacy are often the ones that would benefit most from educating their vendors and customers about their growth financing strategy rather than trying to hide it.

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That's excellent advice about having the conversation upfront! As someone new to UCC filings, I'm learning that transparency from the beginning really helps manage expectations. Your point about turning it into a growth story rather than something to hide is brilliant - it reframes secured lending as a strategic business decision rather than a necessity born from financial problems. I'm definitely going to use that approach with future borrowers.

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I work with UCC filings regularly and can confirm that release letter alone won't clear the public record. The lender is required to file a UCC-3 termination statement. What I always recommend is using a verification service like Certana.ai to check that all the document details match up properly before the termination is filed - it's amazing how often there are small discrepancies that can cause filing issues.

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That makes sense about checking for discrepancies. I'll look into that verification service you mentioned.

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It's particularly important to verify debtor names match exactly between the original UCC-1 and any termination documents. Even small formatting differences can cause problems.

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This is a really common issue unfortunately. The release letter is just their internal acknowledgment but you absolutely need the UCC-3 termination filed to clear the public record. I'd recommend calling them within the next few days and specifically asking about the UCC-3 filing status - mention that most states require it within 20 days of payoff. If they haven't filed it yet, ask for a specific timeline and request a copy once it's submitted. You can also check your state's UCC search system online to verify it was actually filed properly. Don't let this drag on because it will definitely cause issues with future financing or equipment sales.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm definitely going to call them this week about the UCC-3 filing. Quick question - when I check the state UCC search system, should I be looking for the termination to show up as a separate filing, or does it just make the original UCC-1 disappear from searches?

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Bookmarking this thread for the Louisiana filing tips. The late night approach and early filing strategy are both really helpful.

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Good call. Louisiana-specific tips are hard to find.

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Definitely saving this. Never know when you'll need to deal with their system issues.

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Wow, what a roller coaster! I've been following this thread and I'm so glad you got it sorted out in the end. As someone who's been burned by last-minute filing issues before, this is a great reminder that state UCC systems can be unpredictable. The late night filing strategy is brilliant - I never would have thought to try that. I'm definitely going to start filing my continuations months in advance rather than waiting until the last week. Also really interested in the Certana.ai tool that was mentioned - seems like it could save a lot of headaches by catching those tiny formatting issues that cause rejections. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and tips!

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