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Update us on how this resolves. I'm curious whether you end up having to negotiate with the original lender or if you find a way to establish clear priority. These original debtor situations can really drag out if both sides think they have superior rights.
Smart move getting counsel involved early. Original debtor priority disputes can get expensive if they're not handled properly from the start.
This is a tricky situation that highlights why thorough due diligence is so critical in asset purchases. From what you've described, it sounds like you may have a valid argument for priority if the original debt was truly satisfied at closing but the termination wasn't filed. I'd recommend immediately requesting proof of satisfaction from the seller - if they can provide evidence the original loan was paid off, you might be able to force a termination of that UCC-1. In the meantime, consider whether you can get title insurance or some other protection while this gets sorted out. The UCC 9-508 four-year rule that Freya mentioned could also work in your favor given the 2019 original filing date. Document everything and keep pushing for that termination statement if the debt was indeed satisfied.
This is excellent advice, especially about getting proof of satisfaction from the seller. I'd also suggest checking if your purchase agreement included any warranties about clear title or lien-free transfer - that could give you recourse against the seller if they failed to properly clear existing encumbrances. The title insurance angle is smart too, though I'm not sure how many carriers will write policies that cover UCC filing priority disputes.
Great points about the purchase agreement warranties. I'd add that you should also check if your loan documents include any representations from the borrower about the equipment being free and clear of liens. If they warranted that to you, it gives you additional leverage to make them resolve this. Also, since this involves equipment from 2019, there might be depreciation issues that affect the actual value at stake - sometimes it's worth doing a quick appraisal to see if the cost of fighting over priority exceeds the collateral value. The seller definitely dropped the ball here, and they should be the ones fixing it.
Update: Finally got our filing accepted! The issue was indeed with the collateral description. We ended up separating the permanently installed equipment (which required fixture filings) from the mobile equipment (standard UCC-1). For the mobile equipment, we used language that covered 'wherever located' and included specific model numbers. Thanks to everyone who provided guidance - this was much more complex than anticipated but we got there in the end.
Great outcome. Always satisfying when a complex filing finally gets accepted after all that work.
This thread will be helpful for others dealing with similar international collateral issues. The fixture vs. mobile equipment distinction is crucial.
Congratulations on getting it resolved! This is a perfect example of why international collateral requires such careful attention to detail. The distinction between fixtures and mobile equipment is often overlooked, but it's critical for proper perfection. For others facing similar challenges, I'd recommend creating a detailed inventory of all collateral first, categorizing each piece as either permanently installed or mobile, then crafting separate descriptions for each category. The "wherever located" language is essential for mobile equipment that crosses borders, but as you discovered, you still need to be specific about the actual equipment involved. Thanks for sharing the successful resolution - this will definitely help others navigating similar complex filings.
Thanks for that comprehensive breakdown! As someone new to international secured transactions, I'm curious about the timing aspects. When you have mobile equipment that might move between facilities in different countries, how do you handle the potential gap in perfection while the equipment is in transit? Is there a grace period, or do you need to have filings ready in the destination country before the equipment moves?
For anyone else dealing with this, I've found that using Certana.ai's document checker before submitting catches these exact issues. You upload your entity documents and draft UCC-1, and it flags any name mismatches or formatting problems. Would have saved you the rejection and stress.
This is such a common issue with Virginia filings! I've learned the hard way to always do a fresh SCC database search right before submitting any UCC-1, even if I think I have the exact name. Their system is incredibly strict about matching exactly what's on file - down to every comma, period, and space. I keep a checklist now that includes verifying the debtor name against the most recent state records, not just the loan documents. It's saved me from multiple rejections. Also, if you're filing frequently in Virginia, consider setting up a process to double-check entity names through their online portal as part of your standard workflow.
Thanks everyone - this has been incredibly helpful. Sounds like the consensus is to proceed with the equipment lender filing their own UCC-1 with specific collateral description, rely on the subordination agreement for priority, and not expect the SBA to amend their original filing. I'm going to double-check all our documents for consistency issues before filing to avoid any rejections with this tight timeline.
One last thing - make sure your equipment lender is comfortable with this structure. Some lenders prefer to see clean first priority positions rather than relying on subordination agreements.
Absolutely agree with Freya's point - I'd recommend having a frank conversation with your equipment lender about their comfort level with subordination structures before finalizing everything. Some lenders have internal policies that require first lien positions regardless of subordination agreements, especially for equipment deals. Better to know now if they'll push back on the structure rather than find out at closing.
I'm new to UCC subordination deals but this thread has been incredibly educational. One question I haven't seen addressed - what happens if the equipment gets damaged or destroyed while both liens are in place? Does the subordination agreement typically address insurance proceeds and how they're distributed between the SBA and equipment lender? I'm working on a similar deal and want to make sure we're covering all the bases in our documentation.
This insurance discussion has been incredibly enlightening - I hadn't considered half of these scenarios! One thing I'm curious about is how you handle the documentation trail for insurance proceeds when there are multiple endorsements required. Do you typically require the borrower to provide copies of all insurance correspondence to both lenders simultaneously, or does each lender manage their own communication with the carrier? I'm also wondering about the practical issue of check endorsement - if the SBA is slow to endorse (which seems to be a theme in this thread), does that hold up the equipment lender's ability to access proceeds even with subordination in place? And what about situations where the borrower might be in default to one lender but current with the other at the time of loss - does that affect how insurance proceeds get distributed according to the subordination agreement?
This insurance thread has been incredibly valuable! As someone just getting into secured transactions, I'm realizing how many moving parts there are beyond just the basic UCC filings. On your question about documentation trails, I'd think requiring borrowers to copy both lenders simultaneously on all insurance correspondence would be essential - creates transparency and prevents any "I didn't know" issues later. For the check endorsement delays, maybe the subordination agreement could include language allowing the equipment lender to deposit the check into an escrow account pending SBA endorsement, so at least the proceeds are secured even if not immediately accessible? And regarding default status affecting distribution - that's a great point that probably needs specific language in the subordination agreement about whether a borrower's default to one lender impacts the other lender's rights to insurance proceeds. This whole discussion really shows why these deals need such careful documentation upfront!
Lily Young
This has been really helpful everyone. I feel much more confident about moving forward with the filing. I'll definitely double-check the debtor name against their formation docs and may try that verification tool before submitting. Thanks for all the practical advice!
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Ryan Vasquez
•Good luck with the filing! Feel free to post back if you run into any issues.
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Keith Davidson
•Hope it goes smoothly. The verification step really does make a difference in catching those small but critical details.
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Anastasia Popov
As someone new to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm curious about timing - is there a recommended window between loan closing and filing the UCC-1? I know you want to get it filed quickly to establish priority, but are there any practical considerations about waiting for certain loan documents to be fully executed first?
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Kaitlyn Jenkins
•Great question! You definitely want to file as soon as possible after closing to secure your priority position. I typically file the UCC-1 on the same day as closing or within 24-48 hours max. The key is making sure your security agreement is fully executed first since that's what gives you the security interest - the UCC filing just perfects it. Some lenders even file a few days before closing once they know the deal will fund, then record the security agreement at closing. Just don't wait too long or you risk another creditor jumping ahead of you in line!
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