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Liam O'Connor

Is FAFSA worth completing for high-income families applying to private out-of-state schools?

My daughter is applying to several out-of-state private universities next fall (her top choices are NYU and Boston University). Based on our family income (~$350,000) and assets, I'm pretty sure we won't qualify for need-based financial aid. I've been told the FAFSA is still required for merit scholarships, but I'm wondering if that's actually true for private schools? Is there ANY reason to complete the FAFSA if we know we won't get need-based aid? I'd rather not waste time on paperwork that won't benefit us, especially since the new FAFSA seems more complicated. Do private schools require it for merit scholarships too, or is that just for public universities?

Amara Adeyemi

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Yes, you should absolutely complete the FAFSA even with higher income! Here are several important reasons why: 1. Many private schools require FAFSA for ALL institutional aid - including merit scholarships. They use it as part of their overall financial evaluation process. 2. Some private schools have much higher income thresholds for aid than you might expect - especially the elite ones with large endowments. Your income might seem high, but factors like multiple children in college simultaneously can significantly impact your SAI (Student Aid Index). 3. The FAFSA is required for unsubsidized federal student loans, which have better rates and terms than private loans, regardless of income. 4. If your financial situation changes during the academic year (job loss, medical issues, etc.), having a FAFSA on file makes it much easier to appeal for additional aid mid-year. Bottom line: completing the FAFSA keeps all options open and takes relatively little time compared to the potential benefits.

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Liam O'Connor

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Thanks for the thorough response. I didn't realize unsubsidized loans require FAFSA too - that's good to know. Do most competitive private schools really require FAFSA for merit scholarships? I was told by a friend that places like NYU have separate merit scholarship applications that don't look at financial need at all.

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we didnt fill out fafsa last yr for my son cause we made too much $$ and then found out he couldnt get ANY scholarships at his private school without it!! had to rush and do it last minute, such a pain. just do it now save urself the headache later

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Same thing happened to my niece! The whole system is ridiculous - why make families with no chance at need-based aid jump through all these hoops? 🙄

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Dylan Wright

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ABSOLUTELY FILE THE FAFSA!! I've worked in college financial aid offices for over 20 years, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that many private institutions won't even CONSIDER students for merit scholarships without a FAFSA on file. It's used as an administrative tool for ALL types of aid packaging, not just need-based. Also, your income may be high, but the SAI calculation considers many factors beyond just income - number of dependents, age of parents (retirement proximity), other children in college, etc. I've seen families with incomes over $300K still qualify for some institutional aid at private colleges with high costs of attendance. At minimum, filing ensures access to the Federal Direct Unsubsidized Loan ($5,500 for freshmen) which has much better terms than any private loan alternatives. Don't make assumptions about aid eligibility! The 2025-2026 FAFSA has changed significantly and you might be surprised.

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NebulaKnight

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This is why the financial aid system is so broken! Why should families have to fill out invasive financial forms just to get MERIT aid that's supposedly based on academic achievement? Makes zero sense. The whole system needs an overhaul.

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Sofia Ramirez

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Something no one has mentioned - the CSS Profile! Many private colleges (including NYU and Boston University) require BOTH the FAFSA and the CSS Profile for ANY institutional aid. The CSS Profile is even more detailed than FAFSA and has a fee, but it's required by about 200 private colleges for their institutional aid programs. Since your daughter is looking at selective private universities, you'll likely need to complete both forms. Check each school's financial aid website for their specific requirements - some only need CSS for need-based aid while others require it for all institutional scholarships. Also, if your daughter is applying for outside private scholarships, many of those organizations also require FAFSA information as part of their selection process.

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Liam O'Connor

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Oh great, another form! 😩 I had no idea about the CSS Profile. I'll check each school's website for their requirements. This whole process is so confusing compared to when I applied to college.

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Dmitry Popov

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I was in exact same situation last year! Income around $400k, daughter applying to expensive private schools. I almost skipped FAFSA but our college counselor insisted we complete it. Turns out, three things made it worthwhile: 1. One school offered us a small institutional grant anyway because we had another child already in college 2. We qualified for unsubsidized federal loans which have MUCH better terms than private loans 3. Most importantly - my husband unexpectedly lost his job in February of her freshman year, and having the FAFSA already on file made the aid appeal process much faster My advice: spend the hour it takes to fill it out. The worst case is you wasted an hour. Best case, it opens doors to funding you didn't expect.

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Liam O'Connor

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This is really helpful - thank you for sharing your experience. I'm sorry about your husband's job loss, but it's good to know having the FAFSA already filed made the appeal process easier. I'm convinced now - will definitely complete it.

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i sware some schools just use fafsa to see how much they can charge u... if u look rich they give u less merit $$ even if ur kid is super smart! its all a big scam if u ask me

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NebulaKnight

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THIS. My son had a 35 ACT and got way smaller merit scholarships than his friend with similar scores but lower family income. They're not really "merit" scholarships at all - they're just discounts to convince targeted families to attend.

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I tried calling Federal Student Aid directly to ask this exact question last month and spent THREE HOURS on hold only to get disconnected! Then tried again and same thing happened. Finally found out about Claimyr.com which got me through to a real person in about 15 minutes. They have this callback service where you don't wait on hold. There's a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/TbC8dZQWYNQ The agent confirmed that yes, the FAFSA is still required for unsubsidized loans regardless of income AND many private schools use it for merit aid eligibility. Worth calling to ask about your specific situation!

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Liam O'Connor

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Thank you for the resource! The FSA phone system is terrible - I tried calling once before and gave up after 45 minutes. I'll check out that service if I have specific questions about our application.

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Sofia Ramirez

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One more important point - if you don't complete the FAFSA, your daughter won't be able to take advantage of the Federal Work-Study program, which can be a great way to earn money on campus with a job that works around her class schedule. Even if you don't need the money, these positions often provide valuable experience and connections.

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Dylan Wright

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Great addition! Work-study jobs are often the most flexible campus positions with direct connections to academic departments and faculty. They're much more accommodating of exam schedules than regular campus jobs and can lead to research opportunities or other professional development. Many high-income families overlook this benefit.

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As someone who went through this exact scenario two years ago with my twin daughters applying to similar schools, I can't stress enough how important it is to file the FAFSA! We're in a comparable income bracket and initially hesitated for the same reasons. Here's what we discovered: Both NYU and BU specifically state on their websites that FAFSA completion is required for consideration of ANY institutional aid, including merit scholarships. We actually called both admissions offices directly to confirm this. Even more importantly - having twins in college simultaneously dramatically changed our aid eligibility despite our high income. The FAFSA calculation considers multiple children in college as a major factor, and we ended up receiving some institutional grants we never expected. Also, don't underestimate the value of those federal unsubsidized loans. At current rates, they're significantly better than any private loan option, and the repayment flexibility is unmatched. The new FAFSA is actually simpler than the old version once you get started. It took me about 45 minutes per student, and that small time investment opened doors we didn't even know existed. Trust me - just do it!

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Jade Lopez

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I needed to hear! Having twins in college at the same time definitely changes the calculation - I hadn't fully considered how that impacts the formula. It's reassuring to know that even with similar income levels, you still received some institutional aid. I'm definitely going to complete the FAFSA now. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with NYU and BU specifically - that's incredibly helpful since those are her top choices!

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Zara Ahmed

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I'm new to this whole process and honestly feeling overwhelmed by all the conflicting advice I've been getting from friends and family. Reading through everyone's responses here has been incredibly eye-opening! I had no idea that merit scholarships at private schools often require FAFSA completion - I thought "merit" meant it was purely based on grades/test scores without any financial component. The point about federal unsubsidized loans having better terms than private loans is something I hadn't considered either. Even if we can afford to pay full tuition, having access to lower-interest borrowing options could be valuable for cash flow management or unexpected situations. One question I have after reading all this: for those who've been through the process, roughly how long did the new FAFSA actually take to complete? I keep hearing it's "simpler" but also more "complicated" depending on who's talking. I'm trying to set realistic expectations for the time commitment involved. Also, is there a specific deadline I should be aware of for the 2025-2026 academic year? I want to make sure I don't miss any important cutoff dates while I'm still deciding whether to complete it.

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Welcome to the process, Zara! I completely understand feeling overwhelmed - there's so much conflicting information out there. From my experience going through this recently, the new FAFSA took me about 30-45 minutes to complete once I had all the necessary documents gathered (tax returns, bank statements, etc.). The actual form is more streamlined than the old version, but gathering the financial documents beforehand is really the time-consuming part. For deadlines, the federal FAFSA deadline for 2025-2026 is June 30, 2026, but many schools have much earlier priority deadlines for their institutional aid - often in February or March. I'd strongly recommend checking each school's financial aid website for their specific deadlines since missing those priority dates could mean missing out on limited funding pools. You're absolutely right about the merit vs. need distinction being confusing! Most families don't realize that "institutional aid" at private schools often blends both merit and need considerations, even when they call it a "merit scholarship." The FAFSA data helps schools determine their overall aid packaging strategy. Better to complete it and keep all doors open than assume you won't benefit!

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I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here - this thread has been incredibly helpful! As a financial advisor who works with many families in similar situations, I wanted to add a few additional perspectives: 1. **Portfolio diversification benefits**: Even if you can afford full tuition from savings/income, using federal loans strategically can allow you to keep more of your investments working in the market rather than liquidating assets during potentially unfavorable market conditions. 2. **Tax considerations**: The American Opportunity Tax Credit (up to $2,500/year) has income phase-outs, but if your daughter takes even minimal federal loans, the student loan interest deduction might provide some tax benefits depending on your specific situation. 3. **Credit building**: Federal student loans in your daughter's name can help establish her credit history responsibly, which will be valuable when she graduates and needs to rent apartments, get car loans, etc. The key point everyone's made about keeping options open really can't be overstated. I've had clients whose circumstances changed dramatically during their child's college years - everything from job loss to unexpected medical expenses to market downturns. Having the FAFSA filed provides flexibility you might not think you need now but could be crucial later. The time investment truly is minimal compared to the potential benefits and peace of mind!

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This is such valuable insight from a professional perspective! I hadn't thought about the portfolio management angle at all - keeping investments working rather than liquidating during unfavorable market conditions is a really smart strategy. The credit building point for my daughter is also something I completely overlooked but makes total sense for her future financial independence. Your point about unexpected circumstances really resonates with what @Dmitry Popov shared about his husband s'job loss - you just never know what might happen during those four years. Thank you for adding these financial planning considerations to the discussion!

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Freya Thomsen

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Just wanted to chime in as another parent who was initially hesitant about filing the FAFSA for similar reasons! We have a household income around $280k and thought there was no point, but our college counselor insisted we do it anyway. I'm so glad we listened! Our son ended up at a private liberal arts college that required FAFSA for ALL institutional scholarships - even their "pure merit" awards. Without it, he would have been automatically excluded from a $15k/year scholarship that had nothing to do with financial need. Also, something I learned the hard way: even if your income seems "too high," private colleges with large endowments sometimes have surprisingly generous aid policies. Schools like Harvard, Yale, and Princeton have eliminated parent contributions for families earning under $200k, and provide significant aid even up to $300k+ in some cases. Your target schools might have similar policies you're not aware of. The federal loan access alone makes it worthwhile - those interest rates and repayment terms are far superior to any private loan options. Plus, if anything unexpected happens (job loss, medical issues, market crash affecting your investments), you'll be so grateful to have that FAFSA already on file for emergency aid appeals. Bottom line: it's maybe an hour of your time for potentially thousands of dollars in benefits. The risk/reward ratio heavily favors just doing it!

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This is exactly the kind of reassurance I needed! Your experience with the $15k/year scholarship really drives home how these "merit" scholarships aren't as separate from FAFSA as I initially thought. I had no idea that some elite schools with large endowments extend aid so far up the income ladder - definitely makes me want to research the specific aid policies at each school my daughter is considering. The point about having it on file for potential emergency appeals is something I keep seeing mentioned throughout this thread and it's really making me think about all the "what if" scenarios we can't predict. An hour of paperwork for that kind of peace of mind and potential savings seems like a no-brainer when you put it that way. Thank you for sharing your real experience with the process!

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Peyton Clarke

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As a newcomer to this community, I have to say this thread has been incredibly enlightening! I'm in a similar situation with my son who will be applying to colleges next year, and I was completely unaware of how interconnected the FAFSA is with merit scholarships at private institutions. Reading through everyone's experiences, a few things really stand out to me: 1. The consistent theme that private schools use FAFSA for ALL institutional aid packaging, not just need-based aid 2. How federal unsubsidized loans offer significantly better terms than private alternatives, regardless of family income 3. The importance of having the FAFSA on file for unexpected life changes during the college years What I find most valuable is hearing from parents like @Dmitry Popov and @Freya Thomsen who shared specific dollar amounts and real outcomes - it really helps put this in perspective beyond just theoretical advice. One follow-up question for the group: Are there any common mistakes families make when completing the FAFSA that could hurt their aid eligibility? I want to make sure I don't inadvertently mess something up if I'm going to invest the time in doing this properly. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experiences - this community is such a valuable resource for navigating this complex process!

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Welcome to the community, Peyton! I'm glad you found this thread as helpful as I did when I was starting to navigate this process. Your question about common FAFSA mistakes is really important - here are a few things I've learned from others' experiences and research: 1. **Asset reporting errors**: Don't include retirement accounts (401k, IRA) as assets, but DO include 529 college savings plans. Also, report assets as of the day you file, not based on year-end statements. 2. **Income timing**: If possible, complete the FAFSA earlier in the year when your bank account balances might be lower (after paying taxes, making large purchases, etc.) since asset values are assessed on the day you file. 3. **Multiple children in college**: Make sure to correctly indicate how many family members will be in college simultaneously - this significantly impacts your Expected Family Contribution calculation. 4. **Don't skip questions**: Even if something seems like it doesn't apply to you, make sure you're not accidentally leaving required fields blank. The IRS Data Retrieval Tool makes the income reporting much more accurate and faster, so definitely use that when available. Like everyone else has emphasized, the potential upside far outweighs the time investment. Thanks for asking such a practical question - I'm sure others will benefit from the responses!

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Liam O'Donnell

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As someone who just went through this process with my daughter (she's now a freshman at a private university), I want to echo what everyone else is saying - absolutely complete the FAFSA! We were in a similar income bracket and almost skipped it, but I'm so grateful we didn't. Here's what happened: even though we didn't qualify for traditional need-based aid, her school used the FAFSA data to automatically consider her for several institutional scholarships we didn't even know existed. She ended up receiving a $12,000/year "leadership scholarship" that required FAFSA completion even though the selection criteria were entirely merit-based. The other game-changer was the unsubsidized federal loans. We took out the maximum $5,500 her freshman year not because we needed it immediately, but because the interest rate (currently around 5.5%) was so much better than any private loan options, and it gave us flexibility with cash flow. One tip: start gathering your financial documents now (tax returns, bank statements, investment accounts). The actual FAFSA form is much more streamlined than it used to be, but having all your paperwork organized beforehand makes the process much smoother. The bottom line is that completing the FAFSA keeps doors open that you might not even realize exist. For less than an hour of work, it's absolutely worth it!

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Thank you so much for sharing your daughter's success story with the leadership scholarship! That's exactly the kind of concrete example that helps make this decision clear. The fact that she received $12,000/year for what was technically a "merit-based" award that still required FAFSA completion really illustrates how blurred the lines are between different types of institutional aid at private schools. Your tip about gathering financial documents ahead of time is also really practical - I can imagine that's where most of the time gets spent rather than on the actual form itself. It's encouraging to hear from someone who's just been through this process successfully. The peace of mind alone from keeping all these options open seems worth the relatively small time investment!

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StarStrider

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As a newcomer to this community and the college financial aid process, I want to thank everyone for sharing such detailed and helpful experiences! This thread has completely changed my perspective on the FAFSA. I'm in a very similar situation - household income around $320k, daughter looking at competitive private schools, and I was initially planning to skip the FAFSA because I assumed we wouldn't qualify for anything. But after reading through all these responses, especially the specific examples from @Dmitry Popov, @Freya Thomsen, and @Liam O'Donnell about receiving unexpected institutional aid, I'm convinced it's worth doing. The point that really resonates with me is what @Dylan Wright mentioned about keeping options open in case circumstances change unexpectedly during the college years. None of us can predict what might happen with jobs, health, or market conditions over the next four years. I also had no idea that federal unsubsidized loans require FAFSA completion and offer significantly better terms than private loans. That alone seems to justify the time investment, even if we don't end up needing the funds immediately. One quick question for the group: For those who've completed the new FAFSA recently, do you recommend doing it as early as possible in the cycle, or does timing not matter much for families in higher income brackets? I want to make sure I don't miss any institutional aid deadlines while still allowing time to gather all the necessary documents properly. Thanks again for such a welcoming and informative community!

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Lily Young

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Welcome to the community, StarStrider! You're asking a really important question about timing that I wish I had considered more carefully when I went through this process. From what I've learned, timing can actually be quite important even for higher-income families! Most private schools have priority deadlines for their institutional aid that are much earlier than the federal FAFSA deadline. These priority deadlines are typically in February or March, and missing them could mean missing out on limited scholarship funds regardless of your qualifications. I'd recommend starting the FAFSA as soon as possible after January 1st when the new cycle opens. Even though schools say they'll consider applications after priority deadlines, many of the institutional scholarship pools are "first come, first served" within qualified applicant groups. Also, completing it early gives you time to address any issues that might come up - like needing to verify information or provide additional documentation. Much better to have a few weeks buffer than to be rushing at the last minute. One practical tip: if you're gathering documents now, create a dedicated folder (physical or digital) for all your FAFSA paperwork. Having everything organized in one place makes the process much smoother when you're ready to sit down and complete it. The actual form completion really is the easy part once you have all the financial information at hand! Great decision to complete it - you'll have peace of mind knowing you've kept all doors open for your daughter!

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