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Aaron Boston

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quick question - what happens if i dont file? i worked at a restaurant for like 4 months last year but only made maybe $6000 total and they paid me mostly in cash except for the hourly minimum wage part. do i still need to file something?

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Amaya Watson

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Yes, you should still file. Even if you made under the filing threshold, you may be entitled to a refund of taxes that were withheld from your paychecks. Also, cash tips are still taxable income that legally needs to be reported.

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PixelWarrior

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@Tristan Carpenter - I went through almost the exact same situation last year! Here's what worked for me: First, don't panic about the filing deadline - you still have time. Since you worked from July to January, you definitely had income in 2023 that needs to be reported. Target is required by law to send you a W-2 by January 31st. If you haven't received it, here's what to do: 1. Check if they have your current address - sometimes W-2s get sent to old addresses 2. Call Target's corporate payroll department (not your store manager) - they have a dedicated line for former employees requesting tax documents 3. If that doesn't work, you can request a wage transcript from the IRS which will show what Target reported Even if you made less than the $13,850 filing threshold, you should still file because Target likely withheld federal taxes from your paychecks that you'd get back as a refund. I got back about $800 when I filed! The good news is that as a first-time filer with just one W-2, your return will be pretty straightforward. Most free tax software can handle this easily once you get your documents. Don't let the process intimidate you - it's much simpler than it seems, and you'll feel so much better once it's done!

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NeonNebula

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okay this is making so much more sense now! I was literally driving myself crazy checking my transcript every single day wondering why nothing was changing šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø so cycle 05 = Thursday updates only, got it. definitely gonna stop torturing myself with daily checks lol. and wow everyone seems to love this taxr.ai thing - might have to bite the bullet and try it since I'm clearly terrible at decoding all these numbers myself. thanks for breaking it down in actual human language instead of IRS speak!

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same here! I was literally refreshing my transcript like 5 times a day thinking I was missing something šŸ˜… cycle 05 gang unite lol. definitely gonna try taxr.ai too since literally everyone in this thread is saying how good it is - sounds way better than trying to decode all those cryptic codes myself. thanks for making me feel less alone in this confusion!

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Yara Elias

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honestly this whole thread is making me feel so much better! I've been in the same boat checking my transcript obsessively every day like a maniac 😭 had no idea cycle 05 meant Thursday updates only - that explains why I was seeing zero changes for days at a time. gonna save myself the mental torture and just check thursdays from now on. also after seeing literally EVERYONE mention taxr.ai I'm definitely gonna give it a shot - seems like it could save me from hours of confusion and googling random IRS codes. thanks for asking this question OP, clearly a lot of us needed this explanation! šŸ™

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This is unfortunately more common than it should be, and you're right to be concerned about the lack of communication. Many CPAs do file automatic extensions as a protective measure, especially for clients with complex returns involving K-1s, but the professional standard should be to inform clients beforehand. The bigger issue here is the potential financial impact. Since you mentioned you paid your Q4 2023 estimated taxes late in April 2024, there's a good chance you might owe additional tax for 2023. If your CPA filed the extension without making an estimated payment and you end up owing money, you could face failure-to-pay penalties and interest from the original April 15 deadline. I'd recommend: 1) Contact your CPA immediately to clarify what they did and why, 2) Ask if they made any estimated payment with the extension, and 3) If not, calculate whether you owe additional tax and consider making a payment now to minimize penalties. This situation highlights why clear communication agreements with tax professionals are so important. You might want to establish upfront expectations about notifications for any filings made on your behalf.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the timing aspect - if someone discovers an extension was filed without their knowledge (like OP did), how long do they have to make an estimated payment to avoid or minimize penalties? Is there any grace period, or does the clock start ticking from the original April 15 deadline regardless of when they find out?

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Serene Snow

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Unfortunately, there's no grace period once you discover the extension was filed. The failure-to-pay penalties and interest start accruing from the original April 15 deadline, regardless of when you find out about the extension. However, making a payment as soon as you discover the situation can still help minimize the total penalties and interest. The failure-to-pay penalty is 0.5% per month (or part of a month) on the unpaid balance, so every day counts. If you're in this situation, I'd recommend calculating your estimated tax liability immediately and making a payment through EFTPS or IRS Direct Pay. You can always get a refund later if you overpaid, but you can't go back in time to avoid penalties that have already started accruing.

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I work as a tax preparer and want to address some of the concerns raised here. While it's true that many firms file automatic extensions for clients with complex returns (especially K-1 recipients), the lack of communication you experienced is definitely not acceptable professional practice. Here's what should have happened: Your CPA should have either 1) obtained written authorization to file extensions on your behalf as part of your engagement letter, or 2) contacted you before filing to explain why an extension was necessary and discuss any potential tax payment requirements. The fact that you found out by accident when trying to file your own extension suggests poor client communication protocols at that firm. This is particularly concerning because if you owe tax for 2023 and no estimated payment was made with the extension, you're now facing penalties and interest from April 15. I'd strongly recommend getting a copy of your engagement letter with this CPA to see what authorities you actually granted them. If extension filing wasn't explicitly covered, you may have grounds to hold them responsible for any penalties that result from their unauthorized filing. For immediate next steps: Check your 2023 tax liability estimate and consider making a payment ASAP if you think you'll owe money. The sooner you pay, the less penalty and interest will accumulate.

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StarStrider

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This is excellent professional insight, thank you! I'm wondering about the engagement letter aspect you mentioned - what specific language should people look for when hiring a CPA to understand what authorities they're granting? And if someone discovers their CPA filed an extension without proper authorization and it resulted in penalties, what's the best way to approach getting those penalties covered by the CPA's firm?

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Benjamin Kim

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This is such a common situation - you're definitely not alone in dealing with this! I went through the exact same thing with my Vanguard account last year and was equally stressed about it. The good news is that TurboTax handles this scenario really well. When you get to the investment section, there's a specific workflow for entering 1099-B transactions where the cost basis wasn't reported. You'll see checkboxes or dropdown options that let you indicate this situation, and then you can enter your own cost basis data. A couple of practical tips that helped me: - Double-check that your sale proceeds match the 1099-B exactly (that's the number the IRS definitely has) - If you use Fidelity's website, try looking under "Accounts & Trade" > "Account Features" > "History" - they often have trade confirmations going back several years - For any missing records, I created a simple spreadsheet showing how I estimated each cost basis with notes like "researched historical price on MarketWatch for approximate purchase date" The "cost basis not reported" checkbox is actually the IRS telling you they expect YOU to provide this information, not a warning that something's wrong. You're doing exactly what you're supposed to do by using your own records. Just make sure to keep documentation of how you determined your numbers, and you'll be fine!

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Aidan Hudson

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This is exactly the reassurance I needed! I've been losing sleep over this thinking I was doing something wrong. Your tip about checking Fidelity's history section is gold - I just logged in and found most of my old trade confirmations that I thought were lost forever. For the few transactions where I still can't find exact records, I'm going to follow your spreadsheet approach. It makes me feel so much better knowing this is routine and that TurboTax has specific workflows for it. Sometimes you just need to hear from someone who's actually been through it successfully. Thanks for taking the time to share such detailed advice - you probably just saved me from paying way more in taxes than I actually owe!

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Liam Sullivan

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I totally understand your anxiety about this - I was in a very similar situation last year with my Charles Schwab account and it kept me up at night worrying about it! The key thing to remember is that you're absolutely supposed to report your cost basis even when it's not reported to the IRS. That checkbox just means your broker didn't send that information to the IRS, but it doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't report it yourself. Here's what worked for me: First, I gathered whatever records I could find - old statements, trade confirmations, even screenshots of transactions if that's all I had. For the ones where I was missing exact purchase prices, I researched historical stock prices around the dates I remembered buying them and used reasonable estimates. TurboTax actually makes this pretty straightforward. When you enter your 1099-B information, there's a specific section for transactions where cost basis wasn't reported. You'll see options to indicate this situation and then input your own cost basis data. The software walks you through it step by step. The most important thing is to make sure your sale proceeds match your 1099-B exactly - that's the number the IRS definitely has and expects to see. For the cost basis, just use your best information and keep notes on how you determined each amount. Don't stress about audits - this is an incredibly common situation that tax preparers and the IRS deal with routinely. You're doing exactly what you're supposed to do by providing the missing cost basis information!

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Jamal Brown

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I want to add another important consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - the timing of when you recognize your trading gains and losses for tax purposes. Since you mentioned you've been "tracking everything meticulously," make sure you understand that for tax purposes, you generally recognize gains and losses when you close positions, not when you open them. This is crucial for your quarterly estimated tax planning because if you have large unrealized gains in open positions, you won't owe taxes on those until you actually close them. Conversely, if you have unrealized losses, you can't use them to offset your tax liability until you realize them. Given that you're 8 months into the year with $78K in profits, I'd also suggest setting aside a separate "tax account" going forward - maybe 35-40% of each month's realized profits - so you're not scrambling to find cash for tax payments. Many full-time traders get caught off guard by the cash flow impact of quarterly payments, especially if they've reinvested their profits back into trading. One more tip: keep detailed records of all your trading-related expenses (platform fees, data subscriptions, home office costs, etc.) as these can significantly reduce your taxable income, whether you qualify for trader tax status or not.

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Caden Turner

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This is really solid advice about the timing of gains/losses recognition! I'm actually dealing with this exact issue right now - I have about $15K in unrealized gains sitting in some positions I've been holding for a few weeks, and I wasn't sure if I needed to factor those into my Q3 estimated payment calculation. So just to clarify - I only need to calculate my quarterly taxes based on the $78K in actually realized profits so far, not including those unrealized gains? And if I close those positions in Q4, that's when they'd count toward my tax liability? The separate tax account idea is brilliant too. I've been reinvesting everything back into trading, which is probably going to bite me when these quarterly payments are due. Going to set up a dedicated tax savings account tomorrow and start putting away that 35-40% you mentioned. Also appreciate the reminder about tracking expenses - I've been religious about tracking my trades but totally overlooked things like my TradingView subscription and the portion of my home office I use exclusively for trading. Those probably add up to a decent deduction.

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Jumping in as someone who went through this exact transition from corporate job to full-time trading last year! A few additional points that might help: 1. **Safe Harbor Rule**: Since you mentioned this is new territory, the "safe harbor" rule is your best friend. If you pay 100% of last year's total tax liability spread across four quarterly payments (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150K), you're protected from underpayment penalties regardless of how much you make this year. This gives you peace of mind while you figure out your trading tax situation. 2. **Self-Employment Tax Nuance**: Be careful about that 14.13% self-employment tax calculation mentioned earlier. If you qualify for trader tax status, your trading profits might NOT be subject to self-employment tax - they'd be treated as capital gains instead. This could save you thousands. But if you're just considered an "investor" (even an active one), then yes, you might owe SE tax. 3. **Quarterly Payment Timing**: Don't stress too much about perfect quarterly amounts. I made uneven payments my first year based on actual performance each quarter, and it worked fine. The key is making sure your total payments for the year meet the safe harbor threshold. Since you're already 8 months in with solid profits, I'd calculate 25% of last year's total tax liability and make that payment for Q3 (September 15), then reassess for Q4 based on how the rest of the year goes. This approach has saved me from both penalties and overpaying. Good luck with the transition - it's definitely manageable once you get the system down!

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This is incredibly helpful, especially the safe harbor rule explanation! I had no idea about the 100%/110% rule - that actually makes this much less stressful knowing there's a guaranteed way to avoid penalties. Quick question about the self-employment tax nuance you mentioned - how do I know definitively whether I'd qualify for trader tax status vs. being considered an active investor? You mentioned it could save thousands, so I want to make sure I understand this correctly. With 50-100 trades daily as my sole income source, it sounds like I should qualify, but I don't want to assume and then get hit with SE taxes later. Is there a specific form or election I need to file, or is it just based on meeting certain criteria? Also, for the safe harbor calculation - when you say "last year's total tax liability," do you mean just federal income tax, or does that include state taxes and other taxes too? Thanks for sharing your experience with the transition - it's reassuring to hear from someone who's been through this successfully!

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