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Won ESD appeal after being forced to take low-paying job - can husband quit and collect benefits?

We're in a really confusing situation with ESD and need advice! My husband was let go from his union job back in July. His employer told him he could file for unemployment, so he did. He received benefits for about 4 weeks, then suddenly ESD contacted us saying his employer claimed he was fired for cause. They denied his claim and demanded we repay all the benefits he'd already received (about $5,200). We immediately filed an appeal, but during the 8 weeks it took to resolve, our savings was nearly wiped out. My husband had to take a job paying only $23/hr - which is literally one-third of his union wages ($69/hr) - just so we wouldn't lose our house or fall behind on bills. Fast forward to today: we just received the appeal decision letter and HE WON! The letter states "benefits are allowed beginning September 9, 2024" but we're confused about what this means now that he's working again. Can he quit this low-paying job he was forced to take and go back to collecting unemployment while looking for proper union work? Or does taking this job somehow disqualify him from the benefits he rightfully won on appeal? He called ESD but the representative was completely unhelpful and kept putting him on hold only to come back with vague answers. I'm worried if he quits, they'll say he's disqualified for voluntarily leaving employment, but it seems unfair that he had to take this huge pay cut just because ESD initially made the wrong decision. Any advice from someone who's dealt with something similar?

Rami Samuels

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First, congratulations on winning the appeal! That's a major victory. To answer your question directly: No, your husband generally cannot quit his current job to collect unemployment benefits, even though he won the appeal. The appeal victory means: 1. He won't have to repay the $5,200 in benefits he already received 2. IF he becomes unemployed again through no fault of his own, his previous valid claim would be accessible Unfortunately, voluntarily quitting his current job would likely make him ineligible, unless he can prove "good cause" for quitting (which has very specific definitions under ESD rules). Taking a job at lower pay than his previous position doesn't qualify as good cause by itself. I'd recommend having him call ESD again and specifically ask about "partial unemployment benefits" - since his current wages are significantly lower than his previous union position, he might qualify for some partial benefits to supplement his income while he continues looking for better work.

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Tami Morgan

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Thank you so much for explaining! That makes sense but is really disappointing. I was hoping the appeal decision meant we could get back to normal financially. Do you know what "good cause" reasons would qualify? His current employer knows this is temporary and that he's looking for union work - would that make any difference?

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Haley Bennett

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I went thru something kinda similar last yr except my appeal took 12 WEEKS!! your husband should check if hes getting back pay for those 8 weeks he was waiting for appeal decision!! ESD owes him that money since he won!!!

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Tami Morgan

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That's a great point! The letter doesn't mention backpay specifically, but it does say benefits are allowed from Sept 9th which was when his benefits were originally cut off. I'll have him ask about that specifically. Thanks!

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Douglas Foster

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Look into partial unemployment benefits as the previous poster mentioned. My brother-in-law got laid off from construction ($38/hr) and took a warehouse job ($19/hr) while waiting for his union to find him new work. He filed weekly claims reporting his part-time income and still got partial benefits that helped bridge the gap. Your husband should definitely be getting backpay for those 8 weeks if he wasn't working during that period. Make sure he keeps filing weekly claims and reporting his current income accurately. The system will automatically calculate if he's eligible for any partial benefits based on his previous wage history.

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Tami Morgan

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That's really helpful info about your brother-in-law! Unfortunately my husband stopped filing weekly claims when ESD denied him and demanded repayment. Should he start filing again now, even though he's working? Or does he need to call them first to reactivate something?

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Nina Chan

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I work in HR and deal with unemployment cases frequently. Here's what your husband should do: 1. Call ESD *specifically* about the back benefits for those 8 weeks during appeal. Since he won, he's entitled to those payments. 2. Ask about the "partial unemployment" option others mentioned. In WA, if you're working but earning less than 1.33 times your weekly benefit amount, you might qualify for partial benefits. 3. DO NOT have him quit his current job to collect full unemployment. That would create a new disqualification issue completely separate from his appeal victory. 4. If he finds a better job opportunity, he can take it without affecting his unemployment claim history. The appeal victory essentially clears his record with ESD regarding that separation. One important note: if your husband wasn't filing weekly claims during those 8 weeks while waiting for the appeal decision, he might need to request backdating of those weeks. This is something he needs to specifically discuss with ESD.

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Tami Morgan

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Thank you for the detailed advice! You're right - he did stop filing weekly claims when they demanded repayment. We were so stressed about possibly owing $5,200 that we didn't think continuing to file was an option. I'll have him call about backdating those weeks specifically.

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Ruby Knight

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JUST FYI the ESD phones are IMPOSSIBLE to get through on!!! I spent 4 days trying before I finally got through to someone who could actually help with my appeal question! If your husband is having trouble getting answers, there's a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that can help get through to an ESD agent without the endless waiting. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 It really helped me when I was dealing with my appeal situation. Just thought I'd mention it since you said the person he talked to wasn't helpful and he'll probably need to call back.

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Tami Morgan

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Thank you! I've never heard of that service before but it sounds helpful. You're right about the phones - he was on hold for 2+ hours before getting that unhelpful rep. I'll check out that video and see if it might be worth trying.

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Diego Castillo

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Whatever u do DONT STOP FILING WEEKLY CLAIMS!!!! If ur hubby won the appeal he needs to keep filing every week even if hes working! Thats how they know if he qualifies for partial payments or not. Dont listen to that person saying he cant quit the job, u can ALWAYS quit a job, u just gotta have good reason which ESD decides. Low pay by itself probly not enough but if the job has safety issues or toxic environment those count as good reasons sometimes.

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Logan Stewart

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This is dangerous advice. Quitting a job thinking you'll automatically get unemployment is a huge risk. The "good cause" reasons are extremely specific in Washington, and "I can earn more on unemployment" is definitely NOT one of them. OP, please don't have your husband quit without consulting with an employment attorney first.

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Logan Stewart

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The appeals language "benefits are allowed beginning September 9, 2024" typically means: 1. The previous denial is reversed as of that date 2. Your husband is eligible for benefits from that date forward IF he meets all other eligibility requirements (which includes being unemployed or partially employed) 3. He's entitled to back benefits for weeks he claimed during the appeal process Since he's currently employed, he wouldn't qualify for full benefits, but might qualify for partial benefits if his current earnings are low enough compared to his previous wages. The formula is fairly complex, but essentially if he's earning significantly less than he would receive on unemployment, he could get a partial payment each week. Something else to consider: if his current job doesn't utilize his union skills, he might be able to continue looking for work in his field while maintaining this job. As long as he's available for full-time work and actively searching, he could potentially still file weekly claims reporting his part-time income.

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Tami Morgan

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Thank you for breaking down what that language means! The tricky part is that my husband is working full-time at this lower-paying job, not part-time. But you're right that it's not in his skilled union trade. Does that make a difference for the partial benefits? We're definitely going to call ESD again to ask specifically about partial benefits and the back pay during those 8 weeks.

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Mikayla Brown

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The fact that ESD initially denied your husband's claim then approved it on appeal is actually fairly common. The first-level adjudicators often side with employers, which is why the appeal process exists. Regarding your specific situation: 1. Your husband should immediately file for the retroactive benefits covering the 8-week appeal period. There's typically a limited window to claim these weeks retrospectively. 2. For his current situation, Washington does have provisions for workers who take "suitable work" at significantly lower wages than their previous employment. However, voluntarily quitting to collect benefits is generally problematic unless specific conditions are met. 3. One potential option: If your husband finds a legitimate union job opportunity that pays significantly better, quitting his current job to accept that offer would not disqualify him from benefits if the new position fell through or wasn't as advertised. Most importantly, I'd recommend having your husband speak with someone from his union. They often have representatives who specialize in unemployment issues specific to union workers and might have more tailored advice for his situation.

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Tami Morgan

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Contacting his union rep is a brilliant idea! I can't believe we didn't think of that. They might have dealt with similar situations before. I'm also going to look into that "suitable work" provision you mentioned - is there a specific term or section of the law I should reference when calling ESD about that? Thank you!

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