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Why do companies fight unemployment claims in Washington state?

I got laid off from my warehouse job last month and filed for unemployment with Washington ESD. Everything seemed fine at first but now I got a notice that my former employer is disputing my claim. They're saying I was fired for misconduct which is complete BS - I was let go because they eliminated my position due to budget cuts. Why would they even bother fighting this? Don't they have better things to do? Has anyone else dealt with this kind of situation?

Companies fight unemployment claims because it directly affects their unemployment insurance tax rates. The more successful claims filed against them, the higher their tax rates go up. It's purely financial - they're trying to keep their costs down even if it means screwing over former employees.

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That makes sense but seems really petty. I worked there for 3 years with no issues.

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its not petty its business unfortunately, they dont care about you personally

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This is super common in Washington state. Employers know that many people won't fight back when their claims get disputed, so they challenge everything hoping people will just give up. You need to respond to the dispute immediately and provide any documentation you have about your termination.

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I have the email from HR saying it was due to position elimination. Should I send that to Washington ESD?

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YES absolutely send that. Any written communication about your termination is gold in these situations.

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Also keep records of everything - emails, witness statements, anything that proves their misconduct claim is false.

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I went through this exact same thing last year with my previous employer. They disputed my claim saying I was fired for poor performance when I was actually laid off. The adjudication process took forever and I couldn't get through to anyone at Washington ESD to check on the status. I was getting really frustrated trying to call them every day.

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How did you finally get it resolved? I'm worried this is going to drag on for months.

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Never heard of that but sounds interesting. The phone system at Washington ESD is absolutely terrible.

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COMPANIES ARE THE WORST!! They fire you then try to deny you benefits that you paid into. My last job did the same thing to me and 4 other people who got laid off the same day. They claimed we were all fired for attendance issues even though we had clean records. THE GREED IS UNREAL!!!

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I feel your frustration but getting angry won't help. Focus on gathering evidence to dispute their claim.

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I know but its just so infuriating. These corporations have teams of lawyers and we have nothing.

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The key thing to understand is that Washington state uses an experience rating system for unemployment taxes. Companies with more claims against them pay higher rates, so they have a financial incentive to dispute every claim they can. It's not personal - it's just about money.

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How much money are we talking about? Like how much does it cost them if my claim gets approved?

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It depends on their payroll size and claim history, but it can add up to thousands per year in increased premiums for businesses with multiple claims.

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wait so if I quit my job can they still fight my unemployment claim?

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If you quit voluntarily you generally won't qualify for unemployment unless you had good cause like unsafe working conditions or harassment.

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oh ok nevermind then, I was thinking about quitting but guess I better wait

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Yeah don't quit unless you have another job lined up or you probably won't get benefits.

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I'm going through something similar right now. My employer is claiming I was fired for violating company policy but I was actually terminated because I refused to work unpaid overtime. Do I have a case here?

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That could definitely be considered good cause for refusing to comply. Document everything about the unpaid overtime requests and your refusal.

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You should also file a complaint with the Department of Labor about the unpaid overtime issue.

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The whole system is rigged against workers. Companies know most people don't understand the appeals process and will just give up when their claim gets denied. Don't let them win - fight back with everything you've got.

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I definitely plan to fight it. Just frustrating that I have to deal with this when I'm already stressed about finding a new job.

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Stay strong. The truth will come out during the adjudication process.

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Pro tip: keep detailed records of EVERYTHING during the dispute process. Save every email, letter, and phone call log. Washington ESD will want to see documentation to support your side of the story.

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Good advice. I've been taking screenshots of all the correspondence so far.

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Also write down the names and dates of any conversations you have with Washington ESD staff.

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My buddy works in HR and he told me that some companies have policies to automatically dispute every unemployment claim regardless of the circumstances. It's cheaper for them to dispute everything than to pay the higher tax rates.

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That's messed up but not surprising. Corporate greed at its finest.

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Yep, they're betting that most people won't fight back. Prove them wrong.

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I had a similar situation where I couldn't get through to anyone at Washington ESD for weeks. The adjudication was taking forever and I needed answers about my case. Someone on here recommended Claimyr and it actually worked - got connected to an agent the same day I tried it.

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How does that work exactly? Do you have to pay for it?

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There is a cost but it was worth it to actually get through and get my questions answered. Way better than sitting on hold for hours every day.

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The important thing is not to take it personally. Companies dispute claims as a matter of routine business practice. Focus on the facts of your case and let the adjudicator make the decision based on the evidence.

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You're right, I just need to stay focused on proving my side of the story.

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Been through this process twice now. First time I panicked and didn't respond properly to the dispute. Second time I gathered all my documentation and submitted a detailed response. Guess which one I won?

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What kind of documentation did you submit the second time?

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Employment contract, termination letter, performance reviews, witness statements from coworkers. Basically anything that contradicted their misconduct claim.

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this happened to my sister too. her company said she was fired for being late when she was actually laid off. took like 2 months to get resolved but she eventually won

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That gives me hope. Did she have to go to a hearing or anything?

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nah it got resolved during the phone interview with the adjudicator

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Make sure you're still filing your weekly claims while the dispute is being resolved. Even if you're not getting paid yet, you need to keep filing to maintain your claim.

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Yes I've been doing that. The website makes it seem like I should keep filing even though nothing is being paid out yet.

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Exactly right. If you win the dispute you'll get back pay for all those weeks.

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The whole unemployment system in Washington is broken. Takes forever to get through on the phone, disputes drag on for months, and employers know they can get away with lying because most people won't fight back. Something needs to change.

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I agree the system has problems but at least we have unemployment benefits at all. Some states make it much harder to qualify.

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I used to work for a company that disputed every single unemployment claim. The HR manager literally had a template response for every type of termination. They didn't care if it was true or not - they just wanted to avoid paying higher taxes.

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That should be illegal. There should be penalties for filing false disputes.

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I agree but proving its false is the hard part. Companies know how to word things to make it sound legitimate.

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My advice is to treat this like you're building a legal case. Gather evidence, organize your documentation, and present a clear timeline of events. The adjudicator needs to see that your employer's claims don't match the facts.

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That's good advice. I'm going to put together a folder with all my documentation and write out a timeline of what happened.

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Just wanted to mention that if you need to talk to someone at Washington ESD about your case, I had good luck with Claimyr after trying everything else. They show you exactly how to get through to an actual person instead of getting stuck in phone tree hell.

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Is that the service with the YouTube video? I think I saw someone mention it earlier.

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Yeah that's the one. The demo video really helped me understand how it works before I tried it.

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Update us on how it goes! I'm sure other people in similar situations would benefit from hearing about your experience with the dispute process.

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Will do! I'm going to submit my response to the dispute tomorrow. Hopefully I'll have good news to share in a few weeks.

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I went through this exact same situation about 6 months ago. My former employer claimed I was terminated for "policy violations" when I was actually laid off due to restructuring. The key is to respond quickly and thoroughly to their dispute. I submitted my termination paperwork, email communications with my supervisor, and even got a statement from a coworker who witnessed the layoff announcement. It took about 6 weeks to resolve, but I won the case and received all my back benefits. Don't let them intimidate you - if you were truly laid off due to budget cuts and have documentation proving it, you should prevail. The adjudicator will look at all the evidence from both sides before making a decision.

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