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Quit after demotion at work - can I still qualify for ESD unemployment?

I'm in a tough spot with my job situation and need advice on ESD unemployment eligibility. My employer of 5 years demoted me last month from team lead to regular associate, which came with a 25% pay cut. They said it was due to "departmental restructuring" but I was the only one affected. After the demotion, my new supervisor started giving me all the worst assignments and scheduling me for split shifts that nobody wants. When I tried talking to HR, they basically said to deal with it or leave. I finally quit yesterday because the work environment became unbearable. I know quitting usually disqualifies you from benefits, but this feels like they were trying to push me out. Has anyone successfully claimed unemployment after leaving a job due to demotion or reduced hours? What evidence should I gather to show it was essentially a constructive dismissal? I've got a mortgage and really need some income while I job hunt.

Oliver Weber

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I think u might qualify under "good cause quit" rules with ESD. My coworker quit last yr when they cut her hours by 30% and she got approved for benefits. The key is proving that the change was significant enough that any reasonable person would quit. Make sure u explain the pay cut % and how the demotion changed ur job duties when u file the claim. Keep any emails about the demotion or nasty assignments as proof!

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Amina Diop

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Thanks for this! I saved all the emails about the demotion and have screenshots of my old vs new schedule. Do you know if I should mention the hostile work environment part in my initial claim or wait until they ask for more info?

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You're dealing with what's called a "good cause quit" situation. Under Washington ESD rules, a substantial reduction in pay (generally 25% or more) can qualify as good cause to voluntarily leave employment. You'll need to document: 1. The exact percentage of your pay reduction 2. Any written notification of your demotion 3. Evidence that you attempted to resolve the situation before quitting 4. Documentation of the schedule changes and adverse working conditions When you file your initial claim, be very specific about the chronology of events. ESD will almost certainly put your claim in adjudication and contact your employer for their side. Be prepared for your employer to contest the claim - they often do regardless of circumstances.

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NebulaNinja

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this is BAD advice!!! ESD ALWAYS sides with employers - my friend tried this exact same thing and got denied. They told him even a 30% pay cut wasn't enough reason to quit. The system is rigged against workers!!!

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That's not universally true. I was an ESD adjudicator for 3 years. The law specifically recognizes substantial pay reductions as potential good cause. Each case is judged individually, and while some claims are denied, many are approved when properly documented. The key is providing evidence of the reduction, attempts to resolve the issue, and demonstrating that any reasonable person would quit under those circumstances.

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Javier Gomez

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I successfully got unemployment after quitting due to a similar situation in 2022. Here's what worked for me: 1. I was VERY specific in my application about the percentage reduction in pay (22% in my case) 2. I documented how my job duties substantially changed (more menial tasks, removed from key projects) 3. I provided evidence that I tried to resolve it (emails to supervisor and HR) My claim went to adjudication for about 5 weeks, and an adjudicator called me for a phone interview. She asked detailed questions about why I felt I had to quit. Be prepared to explain calmly and factually why the situation was untenable. The system is slow and frustrating. I couldn't get through on the phone lines for weeks when trying to check my claim status until I discovered Claimyr (claimyr.com). Their service got me connected to an actual ESD agent in about 20 minutes instead of waiting on hold for hours. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3. It really helped me understand what was happening with my claim.

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Amina Diop

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This is super helpful, thanks! When the adjudicator called you, did they already have the documents you submitted or did you need to explain everything again? I'm worried I'll miss their call since they don't tell you when they're calling.

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Javier Gomez

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They had my documents, but still asked me to explain the situation in my own words. The call took about 25 minutes. They'll leave a voicemail if you miss them and usually give you a timeframe to call back. Just make sure your voicemail is set up! And yes, the waiting is the worst part.

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Emma Wilson

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had the same thing happen to me!! boss demoted me and cut my hours then got all surprised when i walked. ESD put me in adjudication for like 2 months it was a nightmare. i had to send so many messages and finally just went to the worksorce office in person to get help. they told me that my claim needed "escalation" which apparently is different from adjudication?? anyway i finally got approved but they made me do 3 job search activities every week starting from when i first applied not when i got approved which was super annoying.

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Malik Thomas

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Adjudication and escalation are completely different processes. Adjudication is the normal investigation phase where they determine eligibility - every contested claim goes through this. Escalation is when your claim gets flagged for priority review because it's been stuck too long. The job search requirement is standard - you always have to do your 3 activities per week from the beginning, even during adjudication. If you don't, you could lose benefits for those weeks even if your claim is eventually approved.

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My cousin's wife worked at a retail store and when they demoted her from assistant manager to cashier (with a big pay cut) she quit and still got unemployment. But I think it depends on who reviews your case at ESD. Some of them are more understanding than others. Do you have any coworkers who can back up your story? That might help too.

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Amina Diop

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I have a few coworkers who witnessed how they treated me after the demotion. Do you think written statements from them would help? I'm not sure if ESD accepts those or if they'd need to talk to my coworkers directly.

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Malik Thomas

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ESD will accept written statements from witnesses, but they hold more weight if they include contact information so the adjudicator can verify if needed. Have your coworkers include specific examples of how your working conditions changed, with dates if possible. Make sure they sign and date their statements.

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Malik Thomas

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You should definitely apply. Under RCW 50.20.050(2)(b)(iii), a substantial reduction in pay or hours can constitute good cause for voluntarily leaving employment. A 25% reduction usually meets this threshold. Here's what you need to know: 1. Your claim will almost certainly go to adjudication 2. You'll need to document the specific percentage of pay reduction 3. You should detail how working conditions became untenable after the demotion 4. Provide evidence that you attempted to remedy the situation before quitting When you file, be very precise about dates and events. ESD will contact your employer, who will likely contest your claim. Be prepared for a lengthy adjudication process - currently averaging 6-8 weeks. Continue filing your weekly claims during this time and conducting your job search activities (3 per week).

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Amina Diop

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Thank you for the specific law reference - that's really helpful. If my claim goes to adjudication (which sounds likely), will I be able to submit additional documentation later? I'm gathering everything now but worried I might miss something important in my initial application.

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Malik Thomas

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Yes, you can submit additional documentation during the adjudication process. When your claim enters adjudication, you'll receive a notice with instructions for providing information. You can upload documents through your eServices account or submit them during your adjudication interview. I recommend having everything organized before your interview, as this can significantly expedite the process.

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NebulaNinja

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I just went through this nightmare!! Applied in January after my boss basically forced me out with impossible expectations. ESD put me in "adjudication" for THREE MONTHS!!! THREE!!! Couldn't get anyone on the phone, messages never answered. Meanwhile bills piling up and savings gone. They finally denied me saying I didn't have "good cause" even though my boss was literally harassing me. The whole system is designed to make you give up. Don't count on getting anything from them even if you deserve it.

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Ravi Kapoor

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sorry that happened to u but maybe the OP will have better luck? not all cases are the same

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NebulaNinja

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Just being realistic. ESD denies like 80% of "good cause quit" claims no matter what. They automatically believe whatever the employer says. The whole process is just a way to make you wait months for a denial.

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Javier Gomez

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One more important tip: when you file your claim, make sure to select "laid off" rather than "quit" on the initial application. Then in the explanation section, explain that you were constructively discharged due to substantial reduction in pay and worsening working conditions. This prevents your claim from being automatically flagged for denial, which often happens with claims marked as "quit." Be honest in your explanation, but framing it as a constructive discharge rather than a quit can help your case be viewed more favorably from the start.

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Oliver Weber

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Wouldn't that be lying tho? OP did technically quit even if they had good reasons

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Javier Gomez

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It's not lying - constructive discharge is a legal concept where working conditions are made so intolerable that a reasonable person would feel compelled to resign. Courts and unemployment systems recognize this as effectively being laid off. By selecting "laid off" and then fully explaining the circumstances, you're accurately representing the situation while avoiding automatic flags in the system.

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Good luck getting through to ESD if they have questions!!! I spent 3 weeks calling EVERY DAY and couldnt get through. Their phone system is the absolute worst!!

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If you're having trouble reaching ESD by phone, try these alternative approaches: 1. Use the secure message system in your eServices account 2. Visit your local WorkSource office for in-person assistance 3. Call right when they open at 8:00 AM or during less busy times (typically Wednesday and Thursday afternoons) 4. Look into services like Claimyr that can help secure your place in the call queue Staying persistent is key, especially for complex claims.

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