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Lena Schultz

How is the rate of unemployment calculated for Washington ESD benefits?

I'm trying to understand how Washington ESD calculates unemployment rates and how this affects my benefits. I've been getting conflicting information from different sources about whether the state's unemployment rate impacts my weekly benefit amount or duration. My claim was approved last month but I'm curious about the bigger picture - does anyone know the actual formula they use? I keep seeing different percentages in the news and I'm wondering if this affects when extended benefits might kick in.

The unemployment rate itself doesn't directly affect your individual benefit amount - that's calculated based on your wages from the base period. However, the state unemployment rate does trigger extended benefits when it reaches certain thresholds. Washington ESD uses data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics which calculates unemployment as (number of unemployed people / total labor force) × 100.

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That makes sense about the individual benefits. So the rate is more about triggering extended benefits programs?

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Exactly. When Washington's unemployment rate hits certain levels for consecutive periods, it can trigger additional weeks of benefits beyond the standard 26 weeks.

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I was confused about this too when I first filed. The unemployment rate you see on the news is a statewide average, but it doesn't change your weekly benefit amount. Your WBA (weekly benefit amount) is based on your highest quarter of earnings during your base period divided by 26, up to the maximum.

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Wait, so if unemployment goes up in my county specifically, that doesn't matter for my claim?

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Right, it's calculated at the state level for triggering extended benefits, not county by county for individual claims.

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How does that work exactly? Do they just call for you or something?

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The formula is pretty straightforward but the data collection is what gets complicated. They survey households monthly and count someone as unemployed if they're actively looking for work and available to work. People who gave up looking aren't counted, which is why some say the rate is artificially low.

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This is why you hear about the 'real' unemployment rate being higher than the official one.

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Yeah, there are different measures like U-6 that include discouraged workers and underemployed people.

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does this affect people on standby status? i've been on standby for 3 weeks waiting for my job to call me back and wondering if the unemployment rate going up means i might get regular benefits instead

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Standby status is different - you're still attached to your employer. The unemployment rate doesn't change whether you qualify for standby vs regular UI.

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ok thanks, i was hoping maybe it would help but guess not

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I work in workforce development and can tell you that Washington ESD gets their data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics Current Population Survey. The rate is calculated monthly and represents the percentage of the labor force that is unemployed and actively seeking work. For benefit purposes, what matters more is the insured unemployment rate, which is the percentage of people receiving UI benefits.

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What's the difference between the regular unemployment rate and the insured unemployment rate?

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The insured rate only counts people actually receiving UI benefits, while the regular rate includes all unemployed people whether they're getting benefits or not. The insured rate is usually lower.

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THIS IS ALL WRONG! The unemployment rate is manipulated by the government to make things look better than they are. They don't count people who stopped looking for work and they don't count part-time workers who want full-time jobs. The real unemployment rate is probably twice what they report!!!

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While there are different ways to measure unemployment, the methodology is standardized and transparent. You can look up the exact definitions on the BLS website.

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Of course you'd defend the system. Meanwhile people are struggling and the numbers don't reflect reality.

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For practical purposes, just know that if you're collecting UI benefits, the unemployment rate going up might eventually mean you could get extended benefits beyond the standard 26 weeks. But it has to stay high for several consecutive months to trigger those programs.

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How high does it have to go and for how long?

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It varies but typically needs to be above 6.5% for 13 weeks or meet other specific criteria. Washington ESD announces when extended benefits are available.

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I remember during the pandemic the unemployment rate shot up to like 16% in Washington. That definitely triggered extended benefits programs, though most of those were federal programs like PEUC that don't exist anymore.

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Yeah those pandemic programs were something else. Now we're back to just the regular state programs.

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Right, now it's just the standard 26 weeks unless the regular extended benefits trigger kicks in.

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Quick question - if I'm still in adjudication, does the unemployment rate affect how fast they process claims? Mine's been pending for 5 weeks and I'm wondering if high unemployment slows things down.

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The unemployment rate doesn't directly affect processing times, but high unemployment does mean more claims to process, which can slow things down.

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The seasonal adjustment is important too. Raw unemployment numbers fluctuate seasonally, so they adjust for things like holiday hiring and summer jobs. The seasonally adjusted rate is what gets reported in the news and used for policy decisions.

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I never knew they adjusted for seasons. That makes sense though.

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Yeah, otherwise you'd see the rate spike every January when holiday workers get laid off, even in a healthy economy.

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Been collecting UI for 8 weeks now and honestly I don't care what the unemployment rate is as long as my benefits keep coming. The whole system is confusing enough without worrying about statistics.

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Fair enough, but it's good to understand in case extended benefits become available.

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True, I guess it would be nice to know if I might get more weeks if I need them.

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The participation rate is another important number - that's the percentage of working-age people who are either employed or actively looking for work. If people get discouraged and stop looking, they drop out of the labor force entirely and aren't counted as unemployed.

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So the unemployment rate could go down even if the job market gets worse?

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Exactly. If enough people give up looking for work, the unemployment rate can drop even though fewer people are working.

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my cousin works for the state and she says they use something called the household survey to count unemployed people. they call random households and ask about employment status. seems like a weird way to do it but i guess it works

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That's the Current Population Survey. It's been used for decades and is pretty accurate despite the small sample size.

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yeah she said they call like 60,000 households nationwide each month. seems like a lot but i guess it represents everyone

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Bottom line: the unemployment rate is calculated as unemployed people divided by total labor force. For your UI benefits, it mainly matters for potentially triggering extended benefit programs when the rate stays high for consecutive months. Your individual benefit amount is based on your wages, not the unemployment rate.

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Perfect summary, thanks! This clears up a lot of my confusion.

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Xan Dae

Agree, this thread was really helpful for understanding how it all works.

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Good to know there are options when the phone lines are impossible to get through on.

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Yeah, especially during busy periods when everyone's trying to call at once.

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