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Kaiya Rivera

Fired for 'performance issues' but suspect retaliation - will ESD deny my UI claim?

Just got fired from my management position after raising concerns about some questionable practices. They're claiming I 'couldn't perform job duties' after 6 months, but I've received zero negative feedback until I spoke up about compliance issues. I'm a single parent with no income now and trying to navigate unemployment while looking for an employment attorney. My questions about ESD: 1. Will being fired for 'performance' automatically disqualify me from benefits? (Previously I've only been laid off - never fired) 2. My previous UI claim from before this job ends October 15, 2024. When I tried reopening that claim, it said 'benefits exhausted' since I used them up in March. Should I file a new claim now or wait until Oct 15? 3. There's no option for 'retaliation' when explaining termination reason. Should I upload a separate statement explaining what happened? Any advice from people who've navigated termination vs. layoff with ESD would be really helpful. Also, if anyone knows employment attorneys who don't charge $400+ just for initial consultation, I'd appreciate recommendations.

i was fired for "performance" last year but still got benefits. key is what you tell ESD. don't just accept the employers story. tell ESD your side!!! they fired you because you reported something illegal/wrong, not cuz you couldnt do the job. ESD looks at if u did something wrong on purpose or if u were just not good fit. Big difference!!

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Kaiya Rivera

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Thanks for this! Did you have to go through an adjudication process? I'm worried about how long that might take since I have zero income right now.

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Noah Irving

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Being fired doesn't automatically disqualify you from UI benefits. What matters is whether the termination was for "misconduct" which has a specific definition with ESD. Poor performance alone is usually NOT misconduct unless you were deliberately not performing your duties. Definitely file a new claim now rather than waiting until October 15th. The previous benefits were exhausted, and this is a new qualifying event (job loss). For the termination reason, select the closest option (usually "discharged") and then in the explanation box, clearly state that you believe it was retaliatory after reporting potential compliance issues. Upload any supporting documentation you have. You'll likely go through adjudication where both you and the employer give statements. Get your documentation ready now (performance reviews, emails showing your work was acceptable, timeline of events showing retaliation). The Northwest Justice Project might be able to help with your employment law questions: https://nwjustice.org/get-legal-help

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Vanessa Chang

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THIS^^^ misconduct is what matters not performance! My buddy was fire for "not meeting metrics" but got unemployment np. Just don't lie or their gonna deny you.

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Madison King

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When I got fired for "not meeting expectations" after reporting safety violations, my employer fought my UI claim HARD. I went through 6 weeks of adjudication but eventually won. Here's what helped me: 1. I documented EVERYTHING - saved emails showing good performance before I reported issues 2. Had timeline showing retaliation pattern 3. Got statements from 2 coworkers (though this is hard) 4. Clearly explained to ESD that there was no misconduct, just retaliation For your question about filing - file now, don't wait. Each claim has its own benefit year. And definitely upload a separate statement explaining the retaliation aspect in detail. The more documentation you have, the better. BTW if you're struggling to reach someone at ESD to discuss your case during adjudication (which you probably will), I used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an agent after trying for days. They have a video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3. Saved me hours of frustration when I needed to explain my situation to an actual human.

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Kaiya Rivera

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Thank you for this detailed response! I've started documenting everything. Did you have any income during those 6 weeks of adjudication, or were you just in limbo waiting? That's my biggest concern right now.

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Julian Paolo

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I work in HR (not giving legal advice). A few important points: 1. Misconduct vs. Performance: For UI purposes, these are very different. Performance issues generally do not disqualify you unless the employer can prove willful disregard of their interests. Simply not meeting expectations is usually NOT disqualifying. 2. New Claim: You absolutely should file a new claim now. The benefit year ending on Oct 15 is for your previous claim. This is a new qualifying event with a different employer. 3. Documentation: Upload a detailed statement explaining the timeline of events. Be specific about when you raised concerns and when the performance issues were suddenly mentioned. Stick to facts rather than emotions. 4. Legal Help: The WA Bar Association has a modest means program where attorneys offer reduced rates: https://www.wsba.org/for-the-public/find-legal-help/moderate-means-program Most importantly: Continue to file weekly claims even during adjudication. If approved, you'll receive back payments for those weeks.

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Ella Knight

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Is this true for all states?? In Oregon my cousin got denied cause his boss said he was on his phone too much but really the boss just didn't like him. UI here is so confusing!!!!

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Julian Paolo

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Each state has different specific rules, but the general principle about misconduct vs. performance is similar across most states. Washington specifically defines misconduct as willful or wanton disregard of the employer's interest, deliberate violation of rules, disregard of standards of behavior, or carelessness that shows intentional disregard of the employer's interest. Simply not meeting performance expectations usually doesn't meet this threshold.

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THEY DID THIS TO ME TOO!!!! Fired after I reported a manager for harassment then suddenly I'm "not meeting expectations" when I had PERFECT reviews before. ESD denied me at first but I appealed and won after 12 WEEKS!! The system is RIGGED against workers!!! Just be prepared for your employer to LIE about everything.

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Kaiya Rivera

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12 weeks is so long! Did you find temporary work during that time? I'm trying to figure out how to pay bills while this gets sorted out.

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I had to move in with my parents and take gig work. It was AWFUL but I finally got backpay for all the weeks once I won the appeal. FIGHT IT if they deny you!!! Don't give up!!

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you should check out the WA unemployment law project they help people for free sometimes with ui questions https://unemploymentlawproject.org/

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Madison King

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To answer your question about income during adjudication - I was in limbo for those 6 weeks. No benefits while they investigated. I picked up some gig work (DoorDash, etc.) but had to report that income on my weekly claims. Once approved, I got backpay for all weeks claimed minus the partial earnings I reported. Make sure you're claiming every week even if you're in adjudication! That's super important. And be prepared that your former employer will likely contest your claim with their version of events. Stay factual in your responses.

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Kaiya Rivera

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This is really helpful. I'll keep filing weekly claims and look into some temporary gig work. Thank you!

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Noah Irving

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One thing no one has mentioned yet - when you're in adjudication, an ESD adjudicator will contact both you and your employer separately to get statements. This is your chance to clearly explain the retaliation situation. Be ready for that call and have your timeline and documentation handy. They'll typically give you a scheduled time for the call. If they can't reach you during that scheduled time, it can significantly delay your claim or even result in a denial based solely on your employer's statement. So keep your phone handy and check your ESD correspondence regularly. Also - you mentioned being a single parent. Make sure to check into other assistance programs like TANF and SNAP while waiting for UI benefits to be approved.

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Vanessa Chang

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this is super important!! my roomate missed his call and it took ANOTHER 3 weeks to get rescheduled. total nightmare

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