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Anastasia Kuznetsov

Does military retirement pay affect Washington ESD unemployment benefits eligibility?

I'm a retired Navy veteran who's been getting my military retirement pension for about 8 months now. Just got laid off from my civilian job last week and need to file for unemployment benefits through Washington ESD. I'm worried that my military retirement pay might disqualify me or reduce my weekly benefit amount. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? I can't find clear information on the Washington ESD website about how military pensions are treated. My retirement pay is around $2,100 per month if that matters.

Military retirement pay shouldn't disqualify you from unemployment benefits in Washington. The key thing is that your retirement pay isn't considered wages from employment - it's a pension. Washington ESD looks at whether you're able and available for work, not your other sources of income like pensions or retirement benefits.

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That's a relief to hear! So I should be able to file my initial claim without any issues then?

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Yes, but make sure to report it accurately on your application. They'll ask about other income sources during the filing process.

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I went through this exact situation last year when I got laid off. Military retirement pay does NOT count against your unemployment benefits in Washington state. I was getting about $1,800/month in retirement and still received my full UI benefits. The Washington ESD rep I spoke with explained that pensions are treated differently than wages from work.

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Did you have any trouble getting through to talk to someone at Washington ESD? I'm trying to call but keep getting busy signals.

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Wait, I'm confused. Don't they reduce your benefits if you have other income? I thought ANY income affected your unemployment amount?

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Not all income is the same. Work wages get deducted from your weekly benefit amount, but pensions and retirement pay don't. There's a big difference between earned income and pension income.

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Oh okay that makes sense. So it's only if you're working part-time or something that they reduce your benefits?

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Exactly. If you work and earn wages while collecting unemployment, those wages can reduce your weekly benefit. But military retirement, social security, or other pensions don't count the same way.

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Be careful about this though - I've heard different things from different people. Some say military retirement counts, some say it doesn't. The Washington ESD website isn't very clear about it either.

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The confusion comes from people mixing up different types of income. Military retirement pay is specifically excluded from the calculation of unemployment benefits in Washington state.

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Where can I find that in writing? I want to make sure I'm giving my brother correct information.

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ugh the whole system is so confusing!! I'm also military retired and been putting off filing because I wasn't sure. This thread is helpful but I wish Washington ESD would just make it clearer on their website.

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I totally agree! The website has so much information but it's hard to find specific answers to these kinds of questions.

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exactly! and good luck calling them to ask... I've tried like 50 times this week

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For everyone asking about this - Washington State law specifically states that military retirement pay is not considered disqualifying income for unemployment benefits. You still need to meet all the other requirements (able and available for work, actively seeking employment, etc.) but the retirement income itself won't affect your eligibility or benefit amount.

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Thank you for the clarification! Do you know if there's a specific RCW section that covers this?

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It's covered under RCW 50.20.050 which deals with disqualifying income. Military retirement pensions are specifically excluded from the definition of disqualifying income.

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This is exactly what the Washington ESD agent told me when I finally got through to them. Wish I had found this information sooner!

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Question - do you have to report the military retirement pay amount when you file your weekly claims? Or just when you initially apply?

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You report it on your initial application and then it's in your file. You don't need to report it again on weekly claims since it's not changing and it's not earned income from work.

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Got it, thanks! That makes the weekly filing process easier.

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So if I'm understanding correctly - military retirement pay won't affect my unemployment benefits at all? Even if it's a pretty substantial amount?

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Correct. The amount doesn't matter - whether it's $500/month or $5000/month, military retirement pay is treated the same way under Washington unemployment law.

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Awesome, that's really good to know. I was worried I might not qualify because my retirement pay is pretty decent.

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One thing to keep in mind - while military retirement pay doesn't affect your unemployment benefits, if you go back to work part-time or do any consulting work, THOSE wages will affect your weekly benefit amount. Just wanted to make that distinction clear.

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Good point! So it's really about whether the income is from current work vs. past service.

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Exactly! Current work earnings get deducted, but past service pensions don't.

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This is super helpful info. I'm in the same boat - retired Air Force getting laid off next month. Glad to know I don't have to worry about my retirement pay affecting my UI benefits.

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Yeah, this thread has been really reassuring. I'm going to file my claim this weekend now that I know it won't be an issue.

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Same here. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences!

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Just to wrap this up with the key points: 1) Military retirement pay does NOT disqualify you from unemployment benefits in Washington, 2) It does NOT reduce your weekly benefit amount, 3) You do need to report it on your initial application, 4) You still need to meet all other eligibility requirements like job search activities.

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Perfect summary! This should be pinned somewhere for other veterans to find.

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Seriously, this thread answered more questions than the entire Washington ESD website!

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Does this apply to other types of military benefits too? Like VA disability payments?

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VA disability is also generally not counted as disqualifying income, but that's a separate category from military retirement pay. Both are usually fine but always good to double-check.

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Thanks! I get both so wanted to make sure I understood correctly.

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Update: I filed my initial claim today and everything went smoothly. I reported my military retirement pay as requested and it didn't cause any issues. Thanks everyone for the helpful advice!

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Great to hear! The hardest part is usually just getting accurate information upfront.

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Awesome! I'm filing mine this weekend. Thanks for the update.

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For anyone else reading this thread later - make sure you keep good records of your job search activities. The military retirement pay won't be an issue but you still need to meet the work search requirements.

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Good reminder! I've been tracking my applications in a spreadsheet since I started my job search.

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Smart approach. Washington ESD can ask for proof of your job search activities so it's good to stay organized.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm also a military retiree (Army, 22 years) who just got laid off from my tech job. I was really worried about how my retirement pay would affect my unemployment benefits, but reading everyone's experiences here has put my mind at ease. It's reassuring to know that Washington state specifically excludes military retirement pay from disqualifying income. I'm going to file my claim this week. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world information that's hard to find elsewhere!

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