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Good luck with your appeal! It sounds like you have a strong case since you were told it was budget cuts but they're now claiming misconduct. That inconsistency alone should help you. I went through something similar last year - the key is staying calm and sticking to your timeline of events. Document everything you can remember about when they told you it was layoffs vs when the misconduct claim appeared. The hearing officers really do try to be fair, so don't get intimidated by the process.
This is exactly what I needed to hear! You're right about that inconsistency being important - I have the original termination paperwork that mentions restructuring, but then the unemployment denial says misconduct. I'm going to make copies of both documents to show the contradiction. Did you end up winning your appeal? It's so encouraging to hear from someone who went through the same thing.
Just want to add my experience here - I won my Washington ESD appeal last year after they initially denied me for "misconduct" when I was actually laid off due to company downsizing. The key things that helped me were: 1) I had saved all the emails about the layoffs and budget issues, 2) I kept filing my weekly claims even during the appeal (super important!), and 3) I practiced explaining my situation clearly without getting emotional. The hearing officer was actually very fair and could see right through my employer's attempt to avoid paying into the unemployment fund. Your case sounds similar - if they originally told you it was budget cuts but are now claiming misconduct, that contradiction will work in your favor. Stay organized, bring copies of everything, and don't let them intimidate you. You've got this!
This is incredibly helpful! I'm in almost the exact same situation - told it was layoffs but ESD is claiming misconduct. Question about filing weekly claims during the appeal - do you file as if you're unemployed even though you're not getting paid? I've been confused about this part and worried I might mess something up that could hurt my case later.
I went through a similar appeal process about 6 months ago and won my case. One thing that really helped me was organizing all my documents in chronological order - termination letter, any HR communications, performance reviews, etc. The judge appreciated having everything laid out clearly. Also, practice explaining your situation out loud beforehand so you're not stumbling over words during the hearing. The judges are used to dealing with nervous people, but being prepared definitely helps your case. The whole process took about 8 weeks for me from filing to decision, but it was worth the wait when I got my back pay.
That's really helpful about organizing documents chronologically! I hadn't thought about that but it makes total sense. Did you have any trouble getting your termination paperwork from your employer? I'm worried they might not cooperate since they're probably the ones who contested my claim in the first place.
You should be able to get copies of your termination paperwork through HR even if they contested your claim. It's your employment record and they're legally required to provide it. If they give you trouble, you can also request it through the Department of Labor or mention during your appeal hearing that your former employer refused to provide documentation. That actually looks bad for them. I'd suggest calling HR and asking politely first - sometimes they'll just email you copies without any hassle.
I'm going through the same situation right now - got denied and just filed my appeal last week. Reading through everyone's experiences here is really reassuring. One question I have is about the timing - if I file my weekly claims during the appeal process and end up losing, do I have to worry about owing money back? I'm confused about what happens if you're receiving benefits during an appeal versus appealing an initial denial. Also, has anyone had success appealing a "job abandonment" determination? That's what they're claiming in my case even though I had to leave due to unsafe working conditions.
Remember that the judge is supposed to be neutral. They're not on your employer's side or your side - they're just trying to determine what actually happened based on the evidence. Try to present facts rather than emotions, even though I know this situation is really stressful financially.
Dylan, I went through a similar situation about 8 months ago when my employer claimed I was terminated for misconduct but it was really just a disagreement over procedures. The most important thing I learned is to focus on the specific incident they're claiming as misconduct - don't let them bring up unrelated performance issues or personality conflicts. Take notes during the hearing because you might need to reference what was said if you decide to appeal further. Also, if your employer makes any statements that contradict what they told you when you were fired, point that out to the judge. Inconsistencies in their story can really help your case. The whole process took about 4 months total for me but I did eventually get my benefits restored with back pay.
This is really helpful advice, especially about taking notes during the hearing. I hadn't thought about documenting inconsistencies in their story. Four months is a long time but at least you got the back pay eventually. Did you have to do anything special to get them to process the back benefits or did it happen automatically once you won?
Thanks Ethan, this is exactly the kind of detailed advice I was hoping for! I'm definitely going to take notes during the hearing - that's something I wouldn't have thought of. The inconsistency point is really important too because I remember my supervisor giving me one reason when I was fired but the termination paperwork said something slightly different. I'm glad to hear you eventually got everything resolved even though it took so long. Did you represent yourself or did you end up getting a lawyer for any part of the process?
This thread has been incredibly valuable - thank you all for sharing your experiences! I'm a newcomer here and have been lurking while trying to understand SEAP. I was laid off from my IT project management role about 6 weeks ago and have been considering starting a tech consulting business. Reading through everyone's stories, it sounds like the selection process is quite competitive and somewhat unpredictable. The fact that @Yuki Yamamoto just got selected at week 8 gives me some hope since I'm at week 6 with no word yet. One thing that strikes me from all these responses is how much more informative this community discussion is compared to the official ESD materials. The actual eligibility criteria, timeline expectations, and practical advice about business plan preparation - none of this detail was available through official channels when I tried researching SEAP. For those who've been through the program successfully, did you find that having a more "traditional" business idea (like handyman services or consulting) worked better than more innovative/creative concepts? I'm wondering if they favor business types that have proven local demand versus newer market opportunities. Also really appreciate the tips about leveraging SCORE and SBDC resources while waiting. Even if SEAP doesn't work out, it sounds like there are ways to move forward with business planning while maintaining UI compliance.
@Luca Romano Welcome to the discussion! Your IT project management background actually sounds like it could be a strong fit for SEAP, especially for tech consulting. From what I ve'observed in this thread, they seem to favor businesses where there s'a clear connection between your professional experience and the proposed venture. Regarding traditional vs. innovative business concepts, I think the key is demonstrating market demand and viability rather than the specific type of business. Tech consulting has proven demand, especially with so many companies needing IT expertise but not wanting full-time employees. Your project management skills would translate well to client management, scope definition, and delivery - all crucial for consulting success. You re'absolutely right that this community provides way more practical insight than official ESD resources. The lack of transparency in their process is really frustrating, but at least we can help each other navigate it. Since you re'at week 6, you re'still well within the selection window that others have mentioned. Even if you don t'get selected for SEAP, starting the groundwork now with market research and business planning as (others have suggested with SCORE and SBDC will) put you ahead if you decide to pursue consulting while on regular UI later. Just make sure to document everything carefully and maintain your job search requirements in the meantime. Keep us posted on your progress - it s'encouraging to see people from different professional backgrounds all exploring entrepreneurship through this program!
Just wanted to add my perspective as someone who went through SEAP in late 2024 - the program really is worth pursuing if you get selected, but the waiting game is brutal! I was in week 7 when I got my invitation, so don't lose hope if you haven't heard anything yet. One thing I haven't seen mentioned much here is that they also consider your local unemployment rate and industry trends when making selections. My SEAP coordinator mentioned that they're more likely to approve people in areas with higher unemployment or in industries that are struggling locally. This might explain why construction backgrounds like @Brielle Johnson and @Yuki Yamamoto are getting selected - construction employment can be pretty volatile. Also, for anyone doing preliminary research while waiting, I'd recommend checking with your local Small Business Administration (SBA) office. They often have free workshops on business planning that can help you prepare, and attending shows initiative if you do get selected later. The training component really is comprehensive - we covered everything from market analysis to tax obligations to digital marketing. Some of it felt basic if you have business experience, but there were always useful nuggets, especially around the legal and regulatory stuff. Good luck to everyone still waiting for selection! The uncertainty is stressful but this thread shows there are multiple paths to entrepreneurship even if SEAP doesn't work out.
GalacticGuru
The whole system is designed to make sure benefits only go to people who really qualify. It might seem harsh but remember that it's funded by employer taxes and needs to be sustainable. Still frustrating when you're the one dealing with it though!
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Amara Nnamani
•I get that they need to prevent fraud, but sometimes it feels like they're trying to deny everyone just to save money.
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Giovanni Mancini
•I had that same feeling until I actually got approved. The process is thorough but if you really qualify and follow the rules, it does work. Just takes patience and documentation.
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Sebastian Scott
This is such a comprehensive thread - thank you everyone for sharing your experiences! As someone who's about to file after a layoff, I'm realizing there are way more potential pitfalls than I thought. The job search requirement starting immediately is definitely something I wouldn't have known about. I'm going to make sure I have all my documentation ready and start applying for jobs right away. It sounds like being proactive and honest is key. Does anyone know if there are any resources from Washington ESD itself that explain all these requirements clearly in one place? I want to make sure I don't miss anything important.
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Amara Nwosu
•Another great resource is the Washington ESD YouTube channel - they have videos explaining the application process and requirements that can be easier to follow than reading through all the text. Also, don't forget that you can create your WorkSourceWA account before you even file your unemployment claim so you're ready to start logging job search activities immediately. I wish I had known to do that beforehand! The learning curve is steep but this community has been so helpful for understanding the real-world aspects that the official guides sometimes gloss over.
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Norman Fraser
•I'm in a similar boat - just got notice that I'll be laid off next month. One thing I learned from reading through all these comments is to screenshot or print everything related to your employment termination. Seems like having solid documentation is crucial if your claim gets flagged for adjudication. I'm also going to set up that WorkSourceWA account right away like Amara suggested. The three job search activities per week requirement is no joke - better to be prepared than scrambling to catch up later. Has anyone used the ESD mobile app or is the website better for managing claims?
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