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To summarize what others have said and add some clarity: 1. One-time 401k withdrawals are NOT considered income for unemployment eligibility or benefit calculations 2. 401k withdrawals are different from pension payments (which can affect benefits) 3. During weekly claims, you must report work and earned income, but not 401k withdrawals 4. The financial penalties are significant: 10% early withdrawal penalty + federal income tax (possibly 22-24% depending on your total annual income) Before withdrawing, consider alternatives like unemployment benefits + partial 401k withdrawal, or investigate if your 401k plan offers hardship withdrawals with penalty waivers. Some plans also offer loans against your 401k that may be less costly than full withdrawal.

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Thank you for this clear summary. After reading everyone's responses, I think I'm going to hold off on touching the 401k for now and see how far I can stretch my emergency savings + unemployment benefits. If I do need to tap the 401k, I'll do partial withdrawals rather than emptying it completely. Really appreciate everyone's help!

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Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who's been through a similar situation. I was laid off from Boeing about 2 years ago and faced the same dilemma. What I ended up doing was taking a small loan against my 401k first (about $8,000) which had much lower costs than a withdrawal - just interest paid back to myself. When that wasn't enough after a few months, I did a partial hardship withdrawal. My plan administrator approved it due to unemployment and waived the 10% penalty, so I only paid regular income tax. Not all plans offer this, but it's definitely worth checking. The unemployment benefits alone weren't enough to cover my mortgage and other fixed expenses, but combining them with strategic 401k access helped me avoid financial disaster while job hunting. Just make sure you understand all your options before making any moves!

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This is really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through this with Boeing! I didn't even know about 401k loans being an option - that sounds way better than losing 30-40% to penalties and taxes. The hardship withdrawal with waived penalties is definitely something I need to look into. It sounds like you found a good balance between unemployment benefits and strategic 401k access. How long did it take you to find another job, if you don't mind me asking? I'm hoping my job search won't drag on too long, but it's good to know there are multiple options if it does.

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It took me about 7 months to find a new position, which was longer than I expected but pretty typical for aerospace jobs in my area. The combination approach really saved me - I was able to keep my house and avoid completely draining my retirement savings. One thing I'd add is to document everything when you apply for hardship withdrawal. I had to provide my layoff notice, unemployment benefit statements, and a detailed list of expenses. The process took about 2 weeks to get approved, so don't wait until you're completely out of money to start it. Also, if you do end up taking a 401k loan, just be aware that if you find a new job and leave that employer, the loan typically has to be paid back pretty quickly or it converts to a withdrawal with all the penalties. Good luck with your job search!

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Update: I finally got through using that Claimyr service mentioned earlier. Turns out there was an issue with my job separation information that my former employer had submitted incorrectly. They're fixing it now but it's going to take 2-3 weeks to process. At least I finally know what happened!

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Glad you got answers finally! Hope it gets resolved quickly for you.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! This gives me hope that I can get mine figured out too.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now - got disqualified last week with no clear explanation in my account. Reading through all these responses is both helpful and frustrating because it seems like this is such a common problem with Washington ESD. I'm going to try the Claimyr service that several people mentioned since calling directly hasn't worked for me either. It's ridiculous that we have to pay a third party service just to get through to our own state unemployment office, but at this point I just need answers. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - at least I know I'm not alone in this mess.

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Just wanted to add - make sure you restart your claim this week! You only have until Saturday to backdate it to when you were laid off on Wednesday. If you miss that window, you'll lose this week's benefits.

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Good point! I'll make sure to complete everything today.

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Construction worker here too - just went through this same process last month! One thing I learned is that even with standby approval, you still need to certify every week and report any work you do (even small side jobs). Also, if your return date gets pushed back for any reason, you need to notify ESD immediately or they'll consider it a change in circumstances and might require you to start job searching. The standby status really does make things smoother though - no job search requirements and faster processing when you do go back to work. Good luck!

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Based on your additional details, I strongly recommend requesting an appeal extension based on financial hardship. Even though you missed the original deadline, ESD can sometimes grant extensions in cases of significant hardship, which being a new single mom certainly qualifies as. Call and specifically ask for a "late appeal request based on financial hardship" and explain your situation as a single parent who couldn't afford postage at the time. Document everything - the name of who you speak with, date, time, and what was discussed. Also, it's very concerning that the amount increased from $1100 to $1700 when you've been making payments. Definitely request that itemized statement. It might also be worth checking if they've applied any penalties for the missed appeal deadline, which could explain some of the increase.

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Thank you so much for this detailed advice! I'm going to call tomorrow and ask specifically for that late appeal request and the itemized statement. I'll make sure to document everything carefully. Fingers crossed I can actually get through to someone who can help straighten this out.

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I'm really sorry you're going through this mess with ESD - their overpayment calculations can be incredibly confusing and frustrating to deal with. From what you've described, it definitely sounds like they may have incorrectly applied their earnings distribution rules to your situation. One thing that might help while you're trying to get through to them: keep detailed records of every payment you've made so far, including dates and amounts. When you do get someone on the phone, having this information ready will help you challenge any discrepancies in their calculations. Also, don't give up on that hardship waiver someone mentioned earlier. As a single mom who was in financial distress when the original appeal deadline passed, you have legitimate grounds for requesting an extension. ESD has some discretion in these situations, especially when there are clear hardship circumstances. The fact that you reported everything honestly and on time shows you were trying to do the right thing. Hang in there and keep pushing for answers - you deserve to understand exactly what you're being charged for and why.

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Thanks everyone for all the helpful advice! I'm going to try the online payment option first, and if that doesn't work I'll use that Claimyr service to call and set up a payment plan. Really appreciate all the tips about documentation too.

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Good luck! The most important thing is to take action before the deadlines. You've got this!

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Let us know how it goes! Your experience might help someone else in the same situation.

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One thing I'd add is to make sure you understand exactly what period the overpayment covers before you pay. I had a similar situation and discovered they had miscalculated the dates - saved me about $400 when I pointed it out. Also, if you do end up owing the full amount, ask about hardship options. Washington ESD sometimes has more flexibility than they initially let on, especially if you can show financial hardship documentation.

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That's really valuable advice about double-checking the calculation! I didn't even think to verify their math. Did you just call them to point out the error or did you have to submit something in writing? And what kind of documentation do they typically want for hardship cases?

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