Will taking Social Security at 62 reduce my wife's future survivor benefits?
I'm trying to figure out the best timing for my Social Security benefits. I'm 61 and considering filing for my retirement benefits next year when I turn 62. I understand I'll get a permanently reduced amount (about 30% less than my full retirement age benefit). Here's what I'm worried about: if I take my benefits early and then pass away before my wife, will her survivor benefits also be permanently reduced? She's 5 years younger than me and plans to wait until her full retirement age to claim any benefits. Are survivor benefits calculated separately from my reduced amount, or will my early filing decision also reduce what she might receive as a widow? I've heard conflicting information about this and want to make sure I'm not unintentionally hurting her future financial security.
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Jacinda Yu
This is an important consideration. If you claim at 62 and pass away, your wife's survivor benefit would be based on your reduced benefit amount. However, there's a special rule that may help - if you die before your wife reaches her full retirement age, she would be eligible for a special minimum benefit called the "widow's limit" or RIB-LIM, which is generally 82.5% of your unreduced benefit. So while there is some reduction, it's not as severe as the 30% cut you'd personally take by filing at 62.
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Brian Downey
•Thank you for explaining that. I've never heard of the "widow's limit" before. So if my full retirement age benefit would be around $2,500, and I take it at 62 getting about $1,750, what might my wife expect as a survivor benefit if she waits until her FRA to claim it?
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Landon Flounder
I was in almost this exact situation! My husband filed at 62 because of health issues, and I was worried about my future survivor benefits too. I ended up calling Social Security twice (different agents) to confirm how it would affect me. Both told me that if I wait until my full retirement age to claim survivor benefits, I would get 100% of what he would've received at HIS full retirement age - NOT his reduced amount. But if he had filed after his FRA with delayed credits, I would've gotten those increases too. The system is ridiculously complicated!
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Brian Downey
•That's interesting because it contradicts what the previous commenter said about the reduction. Did you actually end up receiving survivor benefits yet or is this just based on what the SSA agents told you?
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Callum Savage
my dad took ss at 62 and when he passed my mom got way less than she should have. the ssa rep literally told her "he should have waited" when she applied for survivors. harsh but true
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Jacinda Yu
•There are several factors that determine survivor benefits - when your dad claimed, when your mom claimed the survivor benefits, their respective FRAs, etc. The RIB-LIM provision I mentioned earlier should have provided some protection, but if your mom claimed survivor benefits before her own FRA, that would explain a further reduction.
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Ally Tailer
The previous answers aren't quite accurate. Here's the actual rule: If you claim early at 62, and your wife claims survivor benefits at her full retirement age or later, she would receive a benefit equal to what you would have received if you had reached your full retirement age (meaning your unreduced PIA - Primary Insurance Amount). However, if she claims survivor benefits before her FRA, her benefit would be reduced for her early claiming, not because of your early claiming. Bottom line: Your early claiming at 62 won't reduce her survivor benefits IF she waits until her FRA to claim them. But if she claims survivor benefits early, they'd be reduced based on HER early claiming.
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Brian Downey
•This makes more sense to me. So basically, if I claim at 62 but my wife waits until her FRA to claim survivor benefits (if I pass away), she'd still get 100% of my unreduced FRA amount? That's a relief.
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Aliyah Debovski
I gotta disagree with some of the answers here. I think everyone's confusing regular spousal benefits with survivor benefits. They have different rules!!! When my husband died (he took SS at 63), I got his ACTUAL benefit amount he was receiving, not what he would've gotten at FRA. So YES taking early DOES affect survivor benefits. At least that was MY experience.
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Ally Tailer
•There are special rules that apply in survivor cases. If your husband claimed early and you were at your full retirement age when you claimed survivors, you should have received his full PIA (unreduced amount), not his reduced benefit. If you received less, it might be worth contacting SSA to verify the calculation was correct.
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Miranda Singer
Trying to get accurate info from Social Security is SO frustrating. I've spent HOURS on hold trying to get answers about my widow benefits after my husband died (he took SS at 64). No one can give me a straight answer about the calculations. I finally have an appointment next month but it's been 6 weeks of waiting and confusing answers from different reps. Anyone have tips on actually REACHING someone who knows what they're talking about???
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Cass Green
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Landon Flounder
Based on my research and talking to a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security, here's the definitive answer: If you claim at 62 and pass away, your wife has these options for survivor benefits: 1. If she claims survivor benefits at her FRA or later: She gets 100% of your Primary Insurance Amount (what you would have received at your FRA), regardless of when you claimed. 2. If she claims survivor benefits before her FRA: She gets a reduced amount based on how early she claims, calculated from your PIA. 3. Special case: If you claim after your FRA and earn delayed retirement credits, those extra credits ARE passed on to her as a survivor. So claiming at 62 doesn't reduce her survivor benefits if she waits until her FRA to claim them!
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Brian Downey
•Thank you - this is extremely helpful and clear! I've been so worried about how my decision might impact my wife down the road. Sounds like I still need to weigh the reduced benefits I'd receive by claiming at 62, but at least it won't penalize her survivor benefits if she waits until her FRA.
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Callum Savage
the whole system is rigged anyway... they make it so complicated on purpose so people dont get what theyre owed
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Aliyah Debovski
•I agree! Why can't they just make this stuff simple to understand? Every time I call I get a different answer. My neighbor and I are both widows and somehow got completely different survivor amounts even though our situations were similar!
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Ally Tailer
Here's a technical point that hasn't been mentioned: There's something called the "Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation" (RIB-LIM) that specifically addresses survivor benefits when someone claims early. This is what protects your wife's survivor benefits from your early claiming decision. Specifically, the RIB-LIM ensures that if you claim early and pass away, your widow(er) will receive the HIGHER of: 1. Your reduced benefit amount you were receiving 2. 82.5% of your unreduced PIA And if your widow(er) waits until their FRA to claim, they get 100% of your PIA regardless of when you claimed. This is why your early claiming decision won't hurt your wife's survivor benefits as long as she waits until her FRA to claim them.
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Jacinda Yu
•Excellent explanation of the RIB-LIM provision. This is exactly the technical detail that matters in this situation and what I was referring to in my earlier comment. Social Security has these special provisions that aren't widely known but make a significant difference in benefit calculations.
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