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Quinn Herbert

Why does Social Security have an earnings limit before Full Retirement Age?

I just found out my sister-in-law (who's 64) got a letter saying she has to pay back some of her Social Security retirement benefits because she earned too much at her part-time job last year. I'm planning to retire next year at 62, but I was thinking about keeping my weekend job at the garden center (makes about $14k/year). Now I'm worried this might affect my benefits too. Can someone explain WHY Social Security even has this earnings limit for people under FRA? It seems like they're penalizing people who still want/need to work. Is this just a way for SSA to save money or is there some actual reasoning behind it? And what exactly happens to those "withheld" benefits - do you ever get them back?

Salim Nasir

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The earnings limit exists because Social Security retirement benefits were originally designed as a replacement for lost income when you fully or partially retire. When you claim before your Full Retirement Age (currently 67 for people born 1960 or later), there's a limit to how much you can earn without affecting benefits. For 2025, that limit is around $22,300 per year if you're under FRA the whole year. Social Security withholds $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above that limit. The year you reach FRA, the limit is much higher (about $59,500 for 2025), and they only withhold $1 for every $3 over the limit. The good news is that these benefits aren't permanently lost! Once you reach FRA, SSA recalculates your benefit amount to credit you for the months benefits were withheld. So you eventually get that money back in the form of a higher monthly payment going forward. At your garden center income of $14k, you should be fine - that's under the 2025 limit. Just watch for any raises or extra hours that might push you over.

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Quinn Herbert

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Thanks for explaining! That makes more sense now - I didn't realize they actually give the money back later. So basically, they reduce benefits while you're working significant hours, but then increase them once you're "truly retired" at FRA? Do you know if this recalculation happens automatically, or do I need to contact SS when I reach FRA to make sure they adjust my payment?

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Hazel Garcia

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This is exactly why I HATE the whole social security system!! They take our money our whole lives then make up all these ridiculous RULES to avoid paying us back!! I started collecting at 62 and they've already sent me TWO overpayment notices because I worked a little consulting on the side. Now I owe them $4700 I don't have!!! And good luck trying to talk to anyone at SSA about it - I've called FIFTY TIMES and either get disconnected or sit on hold for 3 hours!!! The whole system is designed to CONFUSE you so they can KEEP OUR MONEY!!

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Laila Fury

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i feel your pain, same thing happened to me last year. ended up making like $1200 over the limit and they wanted almost $3000 back! finally got it sorted out but took forever. the worst part is they don't tell you upfront how it works, you have to figure it out yourself

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The earnings test actually serves several purposes in the Social Security system: 1. Original intent: SS was designed as retirement insurance, not supplemental income for those still working full careers 2. Financial stability: It helps maintain the solvency of the program by reducing payments to those with substantial employment income 3. Redistribution: Limits benefits to higher earners still working while maintaining full benefits for those fully retired with limited income 4. Actuarial balance: Early benefits are reduced with the expectation that you're fully or mostly retired One important fact many don't realize: any benefits withheld before FRA do result in a permanent INCREASE to your monthly benefit once you reach FRA. The system essentially credits you back through higher monthly payments for the rest of your life. For 2025, you can earn up to $22,300 without any reduction if you're under FRA the whole year. At $14,000 annual income, you should be fine with no reductions.

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Simon White

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Thanks for this explanation - makes sense now why they do it. Quick question - does this earnings limit apply to ALL types of income? Like what about rental property income or investment dividends? Or is it just wages from a job?

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To answer the follow-up question about types of income: The earnings test only applies to wages from jobs and net earnings from self-employment. It does NOT apply to: - Investment income (dividends, interest, capital gains) - Pension payments - Rental income (unless you're in the business of real estate) - Annuities - Other government benefits So your $14k from the garden center counts, but if you also have rental properties or investments, that income won't count toward the earnings limit.

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Hugo Kass

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Just wanted to share my experience - I got caught by this last year when I took a part-time job at a hardware store after claiming at 63. I knew about the limit but miscalculated my earnings and went over by about $3k. The SSA sent me a notice that they were going to reduce my future payments to recoup the overpayment. I tried calling SSA for weeks with no luck - always hours on hold or disconnections. Finally I tried Claimyr (claimyr.com) which got me connected to a real SSA agent in under 10 minutes. Showed me exactly how it works in their video demo: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. The agent explained my options and helped me set up a reasonable repayment plan instead of having my benefits suddenly cut. Anyway, just something to consider if you need to actually talk to someone at SSA about your benefits. Saved me countless hours of frustration.

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Nasira Ibanez

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does that service really work? i've been trying to reach someone at ss for weeks about my widow benefits

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Hugo Kass

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Yes, it worked for me after I'd tried calling on my own for nearly 3 weeks. I was skeptical too, but they actually got me through to an agent quickly. For widow benefits specifically, you definitely want to talk to a real person because there are so many nuances to those rules.

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Quinn Herbert

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Thank you all for the helpful explanations! I think I understand the reasoning better now. Since my garden center job only pays around $14k, it looks like I should be fine staying under the 2025 limit. I'm relieved to hear that the money isn't permanently lost - that recalculation at FRA makes the policy make more sense. I'll be careful to track my earnings and will definitely reach out to SSA (using that Claimyr service if needed) if I get close to the limit. I do wish SSA made these rules clearer upfront. My sister-in-law had no idea about any of this until she got that overpayment letter!

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Simon White

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my mom had this problem to. she worked part time at walmart and had to pay back like $5000 to social security. its so confusing bc then at her FRA they did increase her payment but only by like $50 a month. so it will take her years to get back what they took!! but your probly fine at the garden place since your under the limit. just dont pickup any extra shifts lol

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Laila Fury

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watch out theres actually 2 different earnings limits depending what year ur talking about. the year u reach FRA its higher (like $59k) but before that its the lower one. also they look at gross earnings not what u take home after taxes just fyi

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Diego Rojas

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One thing I wanted to add that might help others - if you're planning to work part-time after claiming early benefits, it's worth keeping detailed records of your earnings throughout the year. I've seen people get surprised by overtime pay, holiday bonuses, or seasonal work pushing them over the limit unexpectedly. The SSA bases their calculations on your annual earnings, so even if you're normally under the monthly equivalent of $22,300 (about $1,858/month), a few busy months could put you over for the year. Also, for anyone who does get an overpayment notice - don't panic! As others mentioned, you can usually set up a payment plan or request a waiver if you can show financial hardship. The key is responding to their notices promptly rather than ignoring them. Quinn, since you're planning ahead, you're already in a much better position than most people who get caught off guard by this rule!

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StarStrider

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This is really helpful advice about keeping detailed records! I hadn't thought about how holiday bonuses or seasonal overtime could push you over the limit even if your regular hours keep you under. Since I'm planning to work at the garden center, spring and summer are definitely our busy seasons - I could easily end up with extra shifts during planting season. I'll make sure to track my earnings monthly so I don't get any surprises at the end of the year. Thanks for pointing out that responding promptly to any SSA notices is important too. It sounds like ignoring the problem just makes it worse!

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Andre Dubois

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As someone new to this community, I wanted to thank everyone for this incredibly informative discussion! I'm 61 and was completely unaware of the earnings limit before FRA. Reading through all these responses has been eye-opening. What really stands out to me is how many people seem to get caught off guard by these rules - it sounds like the SSA could do a much better job of educating people about the earnings test when they first apply for benefits. The fact that so many folks are getting overpayment notices suggests there's a real communication gap. I'm curious - for those who've been through this process, do you think it's worth working at all between early retirement and FRA given all these complications? Or is it manageable as long as you stay well under the limits and keep good records like Diego suggested? Also, has anyone here actually seen their monthly benefit increase significantly after reaching FRA due to the recalculation? I'd love to hear some real-world examples of how much that "credit back" actually amounts to.

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Sean O'Connor

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Great questions Andre! As someone who's been navigating this system, I'd say working part-time is definitely manageable if you stay organized about it. The key is treating that earnings limit as a hard ceiling and tracking your income monthly like Diego mentioned. I've found it's actually worth continuing to work for several reasons - you're still building additional earnings history (which can increase your future benefit calculation), staying active, and having that extra income stream. Just don't go over that $22,300 limit if you're under FRA. Regarding the benefit increase after FRA - I haven't reached that point myself yet, but my neighbor did last year. She had about 18 months of benefits withheld due to earnings and saw her monthly payment go up by roughly $200/month when she hit FRA. Over her lifetime, she'll definitely recover what was withheld, though it does take several years. The real frustration seems to be the lack of clear upfront communication from SSA. They really should provide better guidance when people first apply about how working affects benefits. Would save everyone a lot of headaches!

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Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this has been incredibly helpful! As someone turning 60 next month, I'm starting to think seriously about early retirement options and had no idea about these earnings limits. What I'm taking away from this discussion is that the system isn't necessarily designed to "trap" people (though it can feel that way), but rather to ensure benefits go primarily to those who are truly reducing their work. The fact that withheld benefits eventually come back through higher monthly payments does make the policy more reasonable than I initially thought. One thing I'm wondering about - do any of you know if there are resources or calculators that can help estimate what your monthly benefit increase might be after FRA based on how much was withheld? It sounds like Sean's neighbor got a $200/month bump, but I'm curious if there's a way to project this ahead of time. Also, for those who've dealt with SSA directly about earnings issues - beyond the Claimyr service Hugo mentioned, are there other strategies for actually getting through to speak with someone? The stories about being on hold for hours are pretty discouraging!

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Diego Chavez

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Hi Chloe! Great questions - I'm fairly new to navigating all this too. Regarding calculators for estimating benefit increases after FRA, the SSA website does have some benefit calculators, but I haven't found anything specifically for projecting the recalculation amount after withheld benefits. You might want to create a my Social Security account online if you haven't already - it shows your current benefit estimates and earnings history, which could help you get a rough idea. As for getting through to SSA, I've had some luck calling first thing in the morning right when they open (8 AM local time) or later in the afternoon around 3-4 PM. Avoid Mondays and the days right after holidays when call volumes are highest. I've also heard some people have better luck calling the national number versus local field offices. The frustrating thing is that these earnings rules really should be explained clearly when you first apply for benefits. It seems like such basic information that affects so many people who choose early retirement but want to keep working part-time. Hopefully discussions like this one help spread awareness! Looking forward to learning more from others' experiences as I get closer to my own retirement decisions.

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As someone who's been helping people navigate Social Security benefits for years, I want to emphasize something that often gets overlooked in these discussions - the earnings test actually protects the long-term sustainability of the Social Security system while still ensuring you don't permanently lose benefits. The key thing to remember is that this isn't just about the government "holding onto your money" - it's about ensuring the program remains solvent for everyone. When you claim early but continue working substantial hours, you're essentially getting paid twice for the same period (wages + benefits), which wasn't the original intent of the retirement insurance program. What I always tell people is to think of the earnings test as a temporary adjustment, not a penalty. Yes, it can be frustrating to get an overpayment notice, but once you understand that every dollar withheld comes back to you in higher monthly payments after FRA (often resulting in MORE money over your lifetime), it makes more sense. For Quinn and others planning to work part-time after claiming early benefits: stay well under that $22,300 limit, keep meticulous records, and consider the earnings test in your overall retirement income strategy. The system works, but only if you understand the rules going in.

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Sofia Morales

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Andre, this is exactly the kind of perspective I was hoping to hear from someone with experience helping people navigate the system! Your point about thinking of it as a "temporary adjustment" rather than a penalty really reframes the whole issue in a much more positive light. The idea that you might actually end up with MORE money over your lifetime due to the higher monthly payments after FRA is particularly interesting - I hadn't considered that angle. It makes me wonder if there are scenarios where it's actually financially beneficial in the long run to have some benefits withheld early on, especially for people who expect to live well beyond their FRA. Do you have any rough guidelines for how much someone's monthly benefit typically increases per year of withheld benefits? I know it probably varies a lot based on individual circumstances, but even a ballpark range would be helpful for planning purposes. Also, your point about "getting paid twice" really clarifies why this policy exists in the first place. When you put it that way, the earnings test seems much more reasonable as a way to ensure the program serves its intended purpose rather than just being an arbitrary restriction.

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Paolo Rizzo

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Andre, thank you for this professional perspective! As someone new to understanding Social Security benefits, your explanation really helps clarify why the earnings test exists beyond just "the government wanting to keep our money." I'm particularly intrigued by your point that people might actually end up with MORE money over their lifetime due to higher monthly payments after FRA. For someone like me who's still years away from claiming benefits, this makes me think differently about early retirement planning. One question I have - when you're helping people with their Social Security strategy, do you generally recommend they factor in potential part-time work income when deciding between claiming at 62 versus waiting until FRA? It seems like the earnings test could be a significant factor in that decision, especially for people who want to stay somewhat active in the workforce. Also, do you have any tips for people who are approaching that $22,300 earnings limit? Is it worth trying to precisely manage your income to stay just under the threshold, or is it better to just focus on staying well below it to avoid any complications? Your insights are really valuable for those of us trying to understand these rules before we need to navigate them ourselves!

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