Social Security earnings limit confusion - lump sum payments after retirement
I'm helping my wife figure out her Social Security timing and we're confused about the earnings test. She turns 65 in July 2025 and wants to retire next August (at 65 yrs 1 month). Here's what's complicating things: 1) Her company pays a retirement bonus in September (around $4,800) 2) We have a rental property that her sister manages, paying us $6,750 yearly in November 3) In December, her sister also pays a lump sum of $5,400 for maintenance help throughout the year Should my wife wait to start SS until after receiving the September bonus? And for the rental/maintenance income, should we ask her sister to spread these payments monthly instead of lump sums? Or should we try to get all payments before her official retirement date? I'm so confused about how the earnings test works with these irregular payments and don't want to lose any benefits if she exceeds the limit. Any advice?
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Isabella Brown
The earnings test only counts income earned from work, not passive income like rent. So the $6,750 rental payment doesn't count toward the earnings limit at all. The maintenance payment is trickier - if it's actual work performed after retirement, it counts when earned (not when paid). For 2025, the earnings limit will be around $22,320 if your wife is under FRA the whole year (estimating based on current limits plus COLA). Since she'll be retiring in August, you need to count: 1. Her regular salary until August 2. The $4,800 September bonus (counts when paid) 3. The $5,400 maintenance payment (counts when the work was performed, not when paid) If her total 2025 earnings exceed $22,320, she'll lose $1 in benefits for every $2 over the limit. Waiting to start SS until October would avoid the bonus counting against her.
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Jacob Smithson
•Thanks for explaining! So her regular salary Jan-Aug will definitely count. But I'm still confused about the maintenance payment - if the work was done sporadically throughout the year (like fixing things whenever needed), how does SSA determine when it was "earned" versus when it's paid?
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Maya Patel
SSA applies the earnings test based on when income is earned, not when it's paid - with some exceptions for special payments like bonuses. I recommend calling the SSA directly to verify how they'll count these specific payments. It's almost impossible to get through on their regular line though. I recently used a service called Claimyr to connect with an agent in under 10 minutes instead of waiting for hours. You can see how it works at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU or visit claimyr.com. Saved me hours of frustration and the agent answered all my earnings test questions.
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Aiden Rodríguez
•I just tried calling SS last week and got disconnected 3 TIMES after waiting 45+ minutes each time!!! Totally checking this out. Did they actually know what they were talking about when you finally got through? Half the time I feel like I know the rules better than they do.
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Emma Garcia
my neighbor had this same issue with a retirement bonus. SSA counted it as a "special payment" since it was for work done before retirement even tho it was paid after. he had to fill out some form to prove it was for past work. forget what its called tho.
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Isabella Brown
•You're thinking of Form SSA-131 (Employer Report of Special Wage Payments). It's used to report payments that were earned before retirement but paid after. This prevents them from counting against the earnings test limit. The employer needs to complete this form.
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Ava Kim
Wouldn't she be better off just waiting until her full retirement age to claim SS? Then none of this matters because the earnings test doesn't apply after FRA. That's what I did. So much simpler!
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Jacob Smithson
•We've considered that, but financially we need her SS income starting as close to her retirement as possible. She'll be 65 and 1 month, and her FRA is 67. Waiting almost two more years isn't really an option for us.
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Ethan Anderson
The SSA is HORRIBLE about explaining these rules. When I retired, I had a similar situation with consulting income after retirement. They took back $4,600 in benefits without warning me, then I had to fight for MONTHS to get it sorted out. You really need to get the brother to pay EVERYTHING before she files for benefits. Or restructure when payments happen. The bonus will be a special payment if it's for work before retirement, but they might make you prove it with that SSA-131 form someone mentioned. The maintenance payments are definitely countable earnings. If spread through the year, SSA would count them when earned, but since they're paid in one lump sum in December, they'd likely count all in December unless you can somehow document exactly when each task was performed.
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Layla Mendes
•omg this is why i'm scared to ever retire lol. they make everything SO complicated!!
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Isabella Brown
Here's how I would handle this situation: 1. Have your wife start SS benefits in October after receiving the bonus 2. Ask her sister to document when maintenance work was performed and spread out future payments monthly or quarterly 3. Have her employer complete Form SSA-131 for the retirement bonus to classify it as a special payment for work performed before retirement 4. Keep track of her YTD earnings from January-August to ensure she stays under the annual limit when combined with the portion of maintenance work performed after retirement Remember: The monthly earnings test applies in the first year of retirement. This means once she stops substantial work, she can receive full benefits for any month she earns under $1,860 (estimated 2025 monthly limit) regardless of annual earnings.
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Jacob Smithson
•Wait, there's a MONTHLY earnings test too? This is getting so confusing. So if she retires in August, then in any month after that where she earns less than $1,860, she gets her full benefit? Even if her annual earnings are over the limit? That would be a game-changer if true!
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Aiden Rodríguez
ALL THIS PROVES Social Security is a BROKEN SYSTEM designed to punish people for working!!! I lost $8,700 in benefits last year because I went 3 months over their stupid limit when I was helping my son with his business. I had NO IDEA until they sent me a notice saying I owed it all back!!! They literally ENCOURAGE people not to work with these rules!!
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Emma Garcia
•its really unfair! my friend had to pay back too. scary part is they can take it outta future checks or even garnish tax refunds if u dont pay up
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Isabella Brown
One more important point: While any benefits withheld due to the earnings test are not lost forever. When your wife reaches full retirement age, SSA will recalculate her benefit amount to credit back the months when benefits were withheld. This means her monthly benefit will permanently increase at FRA to account for the months she didn't receive benefits due to the earnings test. Many people don't realize this and think withheld benefits are just lost.
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Jacob Smithson
•That's such important information! Thank you for sharing this - I had no idea they recalculated at FRA. That definitely takes some pressure off the decision.
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Layla Mendes
Not to get off topic but make sure ur checking the tax implications to! When I retired at 63 I had SS + part time work and got surprised by how social security is taxed when u have other income. Up to 85% of benefits can be taxable if ur over certain thresholds.
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Isabella Brown
•Good point. For 2025, if combined income (AGI + nontaxable interest + 1/2 of SS benefits) exceeds $25,000 for an individual or $32,000 for a couple filing jointly, up to 50% of benefits become taxable. Above $34,000 individual/$44,000 couple, up to 85% becomes taxable. Definitely something to consider in retirement planning.
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