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Sadie Benitez

Medicare and Social Security coordination when turning 70 - which July premium gets deducted from August payment?

I'm planning to claim Social Security at 70 in July 2025 (birthday is July 15) and trying to figure out how the Medicare premium payments will transition. Currently self-paying Medicare premiums quarterly (getting billed every 3 months). The July-August-September 2025 Medicare premium bill will arrive in June 2025, before my first SS payment (which should come in August, right?). My questions: 1) Should I still pay that quarterly bill that includes July, or will SSA retroactively handle it? 2) When my first SS payment comes in August, which month's Medicare premium will be deducted - July's or August's? 3) Do I need to contact Medicare to stop the quarterly billing, or does that happen automatically? This transition is confusing me! I don't want to double-pay for July but also don't want to miss a payment and lose coverage. Has anyone gone through this recently who can share their experience?

I went through this last year. Here's what you need to know: 1) Pay your quarterly Medicare bill that comes in June. That covers July-Sept. 2) When you file for Social Security, tell them you're already on Medicare and paying premiums directly. They'll start deducting premiums from your SS payment, but not until they've verified your Medicare enrollment status. 3) The SSA will deduct the August premium from your August payment (received in September). They won't deduct July's premium since you already paid it in your quarterly payment. 4) Medicare will automatically stop sending you bills once they receive notification from SSA that you're having premiums deducted from benefits. This transition can take 1-3 months though. 5) You might receive a refund for any overlap months you paid directly (possibly September if the transition happens quickly). The key is making sure SSA knows you're already on Medicare when you apply for benefits.

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Thank you so much for this detailed explanation! I was getting really confused about which month would be deducted first. So if I understand correctly, I pay the quarterly bill as usual, then SSA picks up with August's premium on my September payment. That makes sense! One follow-up question - do I need to tell Medicare about this change separately, or is it all handled through the SSA application?

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i went on SS at 69 (not 70) but same idea. just pay ur quarterly bill like normal. SSA will start taking $ out for Medicare after a month or 2. they actually gave me a refund for the overlap! was surprised how smooth it went honestly.

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This is NOT always true. My husband had the opposite experience last year - Social Security started deducting before his quarterly payment period ended and Medicare never refunded the overlap. He spent MONTHS trying to get it fixed. My advice: when you apply for SS, specifically ask them NOT to start Medicare deductions until after your pre-paid period ends. Get this documented in your application notes. And keep records of all your payments so you can prove if there's an overlap.

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I handle this transition for clients regularly as part of retirement planning. Here's what happens with the Medicare-Social Security transition at age 70: 1) Your quarterly Medicare premium payment due in June 2025 should be paid as normal. This covers July-September 2025. 2) When you file for Social Security (do this 2-3 months before your birthday for a smooth transition), indicate you're already enrolled in Medicare with direct billing. 3) SSA will begin deducting Medicare premiums from your SS benefits, typically starting with your first payment. However, since you've already paid July-Sept, they should begin deductions with your October premium (deducted from your October benefit paid in November). 4) You should receive notification from both SSA and Medicare about the premium transition. Keep this documentation. 5) If there's any overlap where you paid directly and SSA also deducted a premium, Medicare will issue you a refund, but this can take several months. Monitor your Medicare online account for this. Remember that your first Social Security payment will come in August 2025 (for July 2025), since benefits are paid the month after they're due.

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Thank you for the detailed explanation! I'm a bit confused about the timing though. You said my first payment will come in August 2025 (for July 2025). But since I turn 70 on July 15th, wouldn't my first month of eligibility be August, with payment coming in September? Or do I get a partial payment for July even though I turn 70 mid-month?

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When you turn 70 in July 2025, you're eligible for that full month of benefits regardless of which day your birthday falls on. So your July benefit payment will arrive in August 2025. Regarding Medicare premiums, there's a specific process when transitioning from direct pay to SS deductions: 1. Pay your quarterly bill for July-September as usual 2. In your SS application (apply 3 months before your birthday), make sure to note you're already on Medicare with direct payments 3. SSA will start Medicare premium deductions from your very first payment UNLESS you specifically request a different start date 4. If you want to avoid potential overlap, specifically request SSA to start Medicare deductions beginning with your October benefit 5. If there is an overlap, you'll eventually receive a Medicare premium refund, but it can take 3-6 months The most common issue people face is Premium-IRMAA timing confusion. If you're paying an income-related surcharge (IRMAA), that information must also transfer properly between systems.

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Thank you for explaining that I get the full July benefit even with a mid-month birthday! That's great news. I do have an IRMAA surcharge because of my income. Does that complicate things further? Should I contact both Medicare and SSA about this transition, or will they handle the IRMAA transfer automatically?

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Why are you guys making this so complicated?? Just call the Social Security office and ASK THEM directly! They can look at your specific file and tell you EXACTLY what to do. This forum is full of well-meaning but sometimes wrong advice! I turned 70 last year and tried following advice I read online and ended up with a big mess. Just call the source!!

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Have you tried calling SSA lately? It's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get through! I spent 6 hours on hold last month and got disconnected twice. Then when I finally spoke to someone, they gave me incorrect information about my spousal benefits. I've actually found that forum advice from people who've been through it recently is often MORE accurate than what overworked SSA reps tell you in a rushed call.

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Regarding your IRMAA question - yes, that adds another layer to the transition. The IRMAA amount should transfer automatically, but here's what can happen: 1) Your IRMAA determination is made based on tax returns from 2 years ago 2) When premium deduction begins from Social Security, they'll include both the standard premium AND your IRMAA surcharge 3) If your income has decreased significantly since that tax return, you can file Form SSA-44 for a reduction in your IRMAA One specific issue with IRMAA during transition: sometimes there's a 1-2 month delay in the IRMAA amount being applied to your SS deductions. If this happens, SSA will eventually catch up by taking a larger deduction from a future benefit payment. Make sure to check your first few SS benefit statements carefully to ensure both the regular premium and IRMAA are being deducted correctly.

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Thanks everyone for such helpful information! I'm going to: 1) Pay my quarterly Medicare bill in June as usual 2) Apply for SS benefits 2-3 months before my July birthday 3) Specifically mention I'm on Medicare with quarterly billing and IRMAA 4) Request that Medicare premium deductions start with October's benefit (to avoid overlap) 5) Keep documentation of all payments and communications Fingers crossed the transition goes smoothly! I'll update this thread after I go through the process in case it helps someone else.

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sounds like a good plan! good luck with everything. remember most of the time this stuff works out fine, its just when theres a problem it can be a pain. congrats on making it to 70 for max benefits btw!

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Has anyone had experience with getting a WRITTEN confirmation from SSA about when the Medicare premium deductions will start? I've heard so many horror stories about miscommunications with SSA that I'm worried about potential double-payments or coverage gaps. My mother had a similar situation last year and she received conflicting information from THREE different SSA representatives! One said to stop paying quarterly immediately, another said to keep paying until notified, and the third gave some confusing answer about "processing times." I don't trust verbal confirmations anymore. Is there a specific form or written confirmation we should request when applying for Social Security that specifically addresses the Medicare premium transition timing?

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Yes, there are two documents you should request: 1) When you apply for benefits, ask for a "Medicare Premium Bill Option Confirmation" - it's not automatically provided but they can generate it when requested. 2) After your application is processed, request a "Benefits Calculation Statement" which should show your gross benefit, all deductions (including Medicare), and net payment amount. Finally, about 30 days after your application is processed, you should receive a Medicare Premium Payment Status Change notice from CMS (not SSA) confirming the change from direct bill to benefit deduction. Keep copies of ALL of these documents. If there's ever a dispute, having this paper trail is essential.

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I'm going through this exact same transition this year (turning 70 in June) and have been researching this extensively. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should also check your Medicare.gov account online about 2-3 weeks after your first SS payment to verify the billing transition happened correctly. In my case, I called Medicare's customer service line (1-800-MEDICARE) and they were able to put a note in my account about the upcoming transition to SS deductions. They said this helps prevent any confusion on their end when SSA notifies them to stop direct billing. Also, if you have Medicare Supplement insurance (Medigap), make sure to notify them about the payment method change too. Some Medigap insurers have automatic payment setups that sync with your Medicare premium billing, so they may need to adjust their systems as well. The whole process seems intimidating but from what I've researched, most people get through it without major issues. The key is just staying on top of the documentation and checking your accounts regularly during the transition period.

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I'm going through this transition right now (turned 70 in December) and wanted to share what actually happened in my case since there's been some conflicting experiences shared here. I followed the advice to pay my quarterly Medicare bill as usual and applied for SS benefits 3 months early. However, what surprised me was that SSA started deducting Medicare premiums from my very first payment WITHOUT any advance notice, even though I had already paid for that quarter. The good news is that Medicare did eventually send me a refund check for the overlap period, but it took almost 4 months to arrive. During that time, I was definitely worried I'd lost that money. My advice based on actual experience: 1) Definitely pay your quarterly bill as normal 2) When you apply for SS, be very specific about requesting a delayed start for Medicare deductions if you want to avoid overlap 3) Set up online accounts for both SSA and Medicare so you can monitor the transition in real-time 4) Keep detailed records of every payment - both what you pay directly and what gets deducted The process does work out in the end, but there can be some bumpy months during the transition. Don't panic if things seem confusing at first - just stay organized and persistent in following up.

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Thank you so much for sharing your real-world experience! It's really valuable to hear what actually happened versus just the theoretical advice. The fact that SSA started deducting immediately without notice is exactly the kind of thing I was worried about. Your point about setting up online accounts is brilliant - I hadn't thought about monitoring the transition in real-time, but that makes so much sense. Being able to see exactly when changes happen would give me so much more peace of mind. Four months for the refund seems like a long time, but at least it did come through eventually. Did you have to follow up with Medicare about the refund, or did it just show up automatically? I'm definitely going to be very explicit in my SS application about wanting to delay the Medicare deductions until after my pre-paid quarter ends. Better to be overly clear than deal with the hassle of sorting out overlapping payments later!

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@GalaxyGazer The refund came automatically - I didn't have to follow up at all, which was a relief! It showed up as a check in the mail with a letter explaining it was for overlapping Medicare premium payments during my transition to Social Security deductions. One thing I forgot to mention in my original comment: make sure to keep your address updated with both SSA and Medicare during this transition period. I almost missed important notices because I had moved recently and forgot to update my address with Medicare (even though I had updated it with SSA). They're separate systems so you have to notify both agencies separately. Also, if you have automatic bank payments set up for your quarterly Medicare premiums, don't forget to cancel those once the transition happens! I got lucky and remembered, but I could easily have had an extra payment go through automatically even after SSA started deducting from my benefits. The online monitoring really does make a huge difference for peace of mind. You can see exactly when your SSA benefit amount changes to include the Medicare deduction, and you can track on Medicare.gov when they stop sending you bills. Much better than waiting for paper notices that might get lost in the mail.

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@GalaxyGazer The refund actually showed up automatically - I didn't have to follow up at all, which was a pleasant surprise! I got a letter from Medicare about 2 weeks before the refund check arrived explaining what it was for. One thing I forgot to mention in my original post: make sure to update your tax withholding preferences when you apply for Social Security if you want taxes taken out. I forgot to do this initially and had to call back to set it up later. The Medicare premium deductions don't affect your withholding elections, but it's just one more thing to think about during the transition. Also, @CosmicCommander mentioned keeping detailed records, which I can't emphasize enough. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking every Medicare payment I made directly, every SS payment I received, and what was deducted. It made it so much easier to verify everything was correct once the dust settled. The whole process really isn't as scary as it seems when you're preparing for it. Just stay organized and don't hesitate to ask questions when things don't look right!

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@GalaxyGazer The refund actually showed up automatically - I didn't have to follow up at all, which was a pleasant surprise! I was prepared to start making phone calls after 3 months, but it arrived in month 4 without any action on my part. One thing I forgot to mention in my original comment: make sure to check that the refund amount is correct when it comes. Mine was accurate, but I've heard of cases where people received partial refunds and had to contact Medicare to get the rest. Having those detailed payment records I mentioned really helps if you need to prove what you're owed. Also, regarding being explicit in your SS application - I wish I had done that! I just assumed they would coordinate better with my existing payment schedule. Next time I'll know to be much more specific about timing preferences upfront rather than hoping the systems will figure it out automatically. The online account monitoring really was a game-changer for my peace of mind. I could see exactly when my Medicare account switched from "direct pay" to "deducted from Social Security" status, which helped me understand what was happening even when I wasn't getting clear communication from either agency.

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