Is WEP officially dead or still affecting my SS retirement benefits in 2025?
I've been tracking the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) repeal bills for years now and keep hearing conflicting information about its status. My pension from teaching (non-SS covered employment) is $3,450/month, and I've also worked enough in SS-covered jobs to qualify for about $1,800 in SS retirement. I'm turning 62 in August and trying to figure out if I need to keep factoring in that stupid WEP reduction. Some colleagues swear Congress finally killed it, others say it's still hanging on by a thread. So what's the ACTUAL status in 2025? If it's not dead yet, what's the holdup? And if I file this year, but WEP gets repealed next year, would my benefits automatically increase?
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CosmicCadet
Unfortunately, WEP is still very much alive in 2025. The Social Security Fairness Act that would repeal WEP (and GPO) has gained substantial bipartisan support, but it hasn't been enacted into law yet. The main holdup is the estimated $150 billion cost of full repeal over a 10-year period. If you're filing this year with 30+ years of substantial earnings in SS-covered employment, WEP's impact is already reduced. With less than 30 years, your SS retirement benefit will be reduced by up to $625/month in 2025 (the maximum WEP reduction). And yes, if WEP were repealed after you start receiving benefits, SSA would recalculate and increase your monthly payment going forward.
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Mei Chen
•Thanks for clarifying. I only have 22 years of substantial earnings under Social Security, so I'm definitely getting hit with a big reduction. So frustrating that this keeps stalling out in Congress! Any idea if there's a compromise proposal that might have a better chance than full repeal?
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Liam O'Connor
EVERYONE KEEPS SAYING WEP REPEAL IS COMING!!!! I've been hearing this same garbage since 2019 when I retired from my firefighting job. The truth is Congress doesn't care about us public servants who get punished for working TWO careers. I've lost over $21,000 in SS benefits over 5 years waiting for this so-called "repeal" that never happens. Don't hold your breath!!! They talk big before elections then forget all about it.
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Amara Adeyemi
•Ya I feel ya, my dad was a teacher for 31 years and had the same issue. Lost a ton of his SS from his second job. He passed away last year still waiting for them to fix this mess. Total BS if you ask me.
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Giovanni Gallo
There's actually a compromise solution making progress right now called the Public Servants Protection and Fairness Act. Instead of full repeal, it creates a new proportional formula that would give partial relief, especially to lower and middle-income workers affected by WEP. The Congressional Budget Office estimates it would cost significantly less than full repeal. If you want to calculate your potential benefit under the different proposals, check the SSA WEP calculator on the SSA.gov website. Then call your representatives! The more they hear from affected constituents, the more likely action becomes.
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Mei Chen
•I'll definitely look into this compromise bill. At this point I'd take ANY improvement over the current system. Do you know roughly how much benefit the proportional formula would provide compared to full repeal? I'll check out the calculator but just wondering if you have a ballpark figure.
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Fatima Al-Mazrouei
I spent literally 3 weeks trying to reach Social Security to get a clear answer on my WEP situation (similar to yours, teacher pension + part-time retail work). Kept getting disconnected or told wait times were 4+ hours. Finally tried Claimyr.com and got through to an agent in 20 minutes! They have this service where they wait on hold and call you when an agent picks up. There's a demo at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU showing how it works. The agent confirmed WEP is still in effect but explained how my specific calculation would work. Worth it just to get a definitive answer based on YOUR work history instead of general info.
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Dylan Wright
•is this service legit? sounds kinda sketchy tbh
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Fatima Al-Mazrouei
•Yes, it's legit! Been around for a few years now. They don't access your SSA account or anything - they just connect the call and then you talk directly with the SSA agent. Saved me hours of frustration.
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NebulaKnight
WEP isn't dead but theres a important thing you should know if your close to filing. You can use the RESTRICTED APPLICATION STRATEGY if your turning 62 before 2025 ends!!! This lets you maybe claim spousal benefits first (if ur married) and then switch to your own retirement later. This can help minimize the WEP impact depending on your specific situation. My financial advisor showed me this trick and it made a huge difference.
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CosmicCadet
•This information is incorrect. The restricted application strategy was eliminated by the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015 for anyone born after January 1, 1954. Someone turning 62 in 2025 would have been born in 1963 and would not qualify for this strategy. Please be careful about spreading outdated information about Social Security claiming strategies.
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NebulaKnight
•Oops sorry your right! I got confused because my sister was born in 1953 and she did this recently. My bad!
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Amara Adeyemi
my uncle had same problem and he said the best thing is just delay taking SS until 70 if you can live on your pension alone. that way even with WEP you get the maximum possible SS benefit plus the 8% per year delayed retirement credits. he says WEP still sucks but hurts less percentage-wise when u maximize your benefit amount
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Mei Chen
•That's interesting. I hadn't really considered delaying, but it makes sense that the delayed retirement credits would help offset some of the WEP reduction proportionally. I'll have to run those numbers and see if I can manage on just the pension for a while. Thanks for that perspective!
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Giovanni Gallo
To answer your original question about what's holding up WEP reform, it comes down to three main factors: 1. Cost - full repeal is expensive and Congress struggles with the budget impact 2. Complexity - creating a fair alternative formula that doesn't overcorrect is technically challenging 3. Awareness - despite affecting ~2 million beneficiaries, WEP doesn't have widespread public awareness The most promising path forward is the compromise legislation that maintains some form of reduction but makes it more proportional to your actual earnings history. Both parties generally agree WEP is flawed, but they differ on how to fix it. The current formula is particularly unfair to lower-income workers with mixed earnings histories.
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Mei Chen
•Thanks for the detailed explanation. It helps to understand WHY this keeps stalling out. I guess I'll plan for the worst (full WEP reduction) and hope for the best. I'm going to contact my representatives today.
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Liam O'Connor
After spending 3 YEARS fighting with SSA about my WEP calculation, I FINALLY got somewhere by contacting my Congresswoman's office. Her constituent services staff has liaisons who work directly with SSA regional offices and can sometimes get better results than we can on our own. Worth a try if you've exhausted other options.
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Dylan Wright
•I tried this too! My senator's office was super helpful with my dad's disability claim. They have special channels to resolve issues.
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CosmicCadet
One final important note - if you decide to keep working in Social Security-covered employment, you can potentially reduce your WEP penalty over time. For each additional year of substantial earnings (currently about $30,000/year), the WEP reduction amount decreases. If you eventually reach 30 years of substantial earnings, the WEP penalty is eliminated entirely, even without congressional action. If you're close to another year of substantial earnings, it might be worth continuing part-time work to reach that threshold. The WEP reduction decreases by 5% for each year of substantial earnings above 20 years.
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Mei Chen
•That's a really helpful tip! I'm at 22 years now, so each additional year would reduce my WEP penalty by 5%. I might look into some part-time work that would get me over the substantial earnings threshold. Do you know if the entire year needs to be worked, or just enough to reach the earnings minimum?
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CosmicCadet
•You just need to reach the minimum substantial earnings amount for the year ($31,275 in 2025) - it doesn't matter whether you earn it in January or spread it throughout the year. As long as you hit that threshold, it counts as a year of substantial earnings for WEP calculation purposes.
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