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Tyler Lefleur

Does rental income affect my Social Security benefits before reaching FRA?

I'm 63 and just started collecting Social Security early, but I'm also considering buying a rental property that would give me about $1,200/month in income after expenses. Will this rental income count against my earnings limit and reduce my SS benefits? I know there's that $21,240 limit for 2025 before they start deducting $1 for every $2 over. Do I need to wait until my full retirement age (which is 67) before collecting rental income without penalty? I'm so confused about what counts as "earnings" for Social Security purposes!

Good news! Rental income is considered unearned income (passive income) and does NOT count toward the earnings test that applies before full retirement age. Only wages from a job or net earnings from self-employment count toward that limit. So you can collect both your Social Security benefits and your rental income without any reduction to your benefits, even before reaching your FRA. The $21,240 earnings limit for 2025 only applies to active work income.

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Oh thank goodness! That's a huge relief. So just to be 100% clear - even if I'm actively managing the property myself (finding tenants, handling repairs, etc.), it still doesn't count as self-employment income as long as I'm not doing it as a formal business?

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u sure about that?? my uncle got his ss check cut because he was making too much from his duplex. the ssa lady told him any income counts toward the limit.

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Your uncle's situation might be different. If he was actively running a real estate business (multiple properties, frequent buying/selling), the IRS might have classified him as a real estate professional, making it self-employment income. Or there could have been confusion about what caused the reduction. But standard rental income from a property or two is definitely NOT counted toward the earnings test.

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There's actually an important distinction here. The way the IRS treats rental income vs. how Social Security treats it are two different things: 1. For the SS earnings test, rental income is typically NOT counted as earned income unless you're in the business of real estate (like a broker or developer). 2. However, if you provide "substantial services" with the rental, it might be considered self-employment income. Substantial services means doing much more than just basic management - like providing meals, cleaning services, etc. For most typical landlords who just collect rent and handle basic maintenance, rental income won't affect your Social Security benefits before FRA. You can verify this by checking SSA's Program Operations Manual System (POMS) section RS 02505.055 or by calling SSA directly to confirm for your specific situation.

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This is spot on. I went through EXACTLY this when I started receiving benefits at 64. I have 2 rental houses and was worried about the same thing. Called SSA and they confirmed rental income doesn't count toward earnings limit unless you're running a full-blown real estate business. Been collecting both for 2 years with no issues.

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wait i thought ALL income affected SS?? this is confusing... so investment interest and dividends dont count either??

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You're mixing up two different concepts: 1. The EARNINGS TEST (what OP is asking about) only applies to people under FRA and only counts wages and self-employment income. 2. TAXATION of Social Security benefits is completely different and does consider other income sources including rental income, investments, etc. So rental income won't reduce your benefit amount, but it might cause more of your Social Security to be taxable depending on your combined income levels.

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I had to deal with this last year. Rent DOES NOT count for the earnings test, but it DOES count when they figure out if your benefits are taxable. It's so irritating how complicated they make everything!!! Who can keep track of all these different rules????

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Thanks for clarifying! I wasn't even thinking about the tax implications - that's a whole other issue I'll need to consider. So my benefits won't be reduced, but I might end up paying taxes on more of my SS benefits because of the extra rental income. Got it.

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my cousin has rental properties and he said it depends on if you're doing the property management yourself or hiring someone. if you're doing everything yourself the ssa might consider it self employment!!!

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That's a common misconception. Simply managing your own rental property is not considered self-employment. The key factor is whether you're providing substantial services beyond basic landlord duties. Typical landlord activities (advertising vacancies, screening tenants, collecting rent, arranging repairs) are not considered substantial services by SSA standards and won't trigger the earnings test.

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Here's another wrinkle to consider - if you're buying this property with a mortgage, the interest deduction might actually HELP your tax situation overall, even with the rental income. I'm not a tax professional, but it worked out that way for me. Just something to think about as part of the bigger financial picture.

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That's an excellent point I hadn't considered! I'll definitely talk to my tax person about the overall picture including the mortgage interest deductions. Thank you!

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To summarize for anyone else finding this thread: 1. Rental income does NOT count toward the earnings test that applies before Full Retirement Age 2. Only wages from employment or net earnings from self-employment count 3. Simply managing your own property does NOT make it self-employment 4. Rental income DOES count for determining if your Social Security benefits are taxable 5. At Full Retirement Age, the earnings test goes away completely and you can earn unlimited amounts from any source without affecting your benefits The official SSA page explaining the earnings test is here: https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/planner/whileworking.html

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Thank you so much for this clear summary! This has been incredibly helpful. I was about to delay my rental property purchase because I was worried it would mess up my Social Security. I'm relieved I can move forward with both income sources.

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Just wanted to add my experience as someone who went through this exact situation! I'm 64 and have been collecting SS for a year while owning 3 rental units. The key thing that helped me was keeping detailed records of my rental activities - just basic stuff like rent collection, maintenance calls, tenant communications. When I initially reported my rental income to SSA (out of an abundance of caution), they confirmed it doesn't affect the earnings test. But having those records helped me feel confident that I was just doing normal landlord stuff, not running a real estate business. One tip: if you do end up calling SSA, ask them to put a note in your file about the rental income conversation. That way if questions come up later, there's documentation of what you discussed. It gave me peace of mind!

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This is such great advice from everyone! I'm in a similar situation at 62 and was hesitant about rental income. One thing I'd add is to keep your rental activities documented - I use a simple spreadsheet to track rent payments, maintenance expenses, and any property-related activities. This helps distinguish between passive rental income and active real estate business activities. Also, if you're doing a lot of property improvements or repairs yourself, make sure to track whether you're paying for materials vs. doing the labor. The labor part could potentially be seen as self-employment if it's substantial, but normal maintenance and repairs are just part of being a landlord. Good luck with your rental property purchase! Sounds like you're in good shape to collect both income sources.

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This is really helpful advice about documentation! I'm new to both Social Security and rental property investing, so I appreciate the practical tips. The spreadsheet idea is great - I'll definitely set that up from the start. It sounds like as long as I'm just being a normal landlord (collecting rent, basic maintenance) and not flipping houses or running a full real estate business, I should be fine. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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As someone who works in the benefits field, I can confirm what others have said - rental income is passive income and won't affect your Social Security benefits before FRA. However, I'd recommend getting this confirmed directly with SSA for your specific situation, especially since you mentioned being "so confused" about what counts as earnings. One thing that might help is understanding that the earnings test is really designed to prevent people from "double-dipping" - collecting full SS benefits while also working full-time. Rental income doesn't fall into that category since it's investment income, not active work income. The distinction about "substantial services" that Emma mentioned is key though. If you end up providing hotel-like services (daily cleaning, meals, etc.) that could change things. But typical landlord duties like showing units, collecting rent, and coordinating repairs are fine. Also keep in mind that while your SS benefits won't be reduced, you'll want to factor the rental income into your overall tax planning since it could affect how much of your Social Security is taxable.

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This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was hoping for! Thank you for explaining the "double-dipping" concept - that really helps me understand the logic behind the earnings test. I feel much more confident now that my rental property plan won't interfere with my Social Security benefits. I'll definitely call SSA to get official confirmation for my specific situation, but it's reassuring to hear from someone in the benefits field. The tax planning aspect is something I'll need to discuss with my accountant too. Really appreciate everyone's help on this thread!

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Great thread everyone! I'm actually going through something similar right now. I'm 65 and have been collecting SS for about 8 months while also managing a small duplex I inherited. When I first started getting benefits, I was terrified that ANY additional income would mess things up. What really helped me was calling the SSA and specifically asking them to walk through my situation. The agent explained that as long as I'm not running a real estate empire or providing hotel-type services, rental income is considered passive/unearned income and won't trigger the earnings test. One thing I learned that might help others - if you're ever unsure about whether an activity counts as "self-employment," SSA looks at factors like: Are you regularly engaged in the activity? Do you advertise services? Are you trying to make a profit from services rather than just property ownership? For normal landlording, the answer is usually no to these questions. The peace of mind is worth the phone call to get official confirmation for your specific situation!

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This is such a helpful perspective! I'm just starting to look into both Social Security and rental properties, so hearing from someone who's actually navigated this successfully is really reassuring. The criteria you mentioned about what makes something "self-employment" (regular engagement, advertising services, profit from services vs. property) is really useful - it helps clarify the line between normal landlording and running a business. I think I'll follow your advice and call SSA once I'm closer to making the property purchase to get official confirmation. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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One additional consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're planning to purchase the rental property, make sure you understand how the timing of your purchase and rental income might affect your first year's tax situation. Since you just started collecting Social Security at 63, you'll want to be strategic about when the rental income starts flowing. The combined income thresholds for SS taxation are $25,000 for single filers and $32,000 for married filing jointly. If your rental income pushes you over these thresholds, up to 85% of your Social Security benefits could become taxable. This doesn't affect the earnings test (as everyone has correctly explained), but it's worth planning for the tax implications. You might want to consult with a tax professional about timing the property purchase and whether strategies like depreciation deductions can help offset some of the rental income in the early years. Also, don't forget about potential state tax implications - some states don't tax Social Security benefits at all, while others do, and rental income policies vary by state as well.

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This is really excellent advice about the tax timing considerations! I hadn't thought about strategically timing when the rental income starts to manage the tax impact on my Social Security benefits. The $25,000 threshold for single filers is definitely something I need to keep in mind since I'm right at the age where every dollar of additional income could push me into higher taxation of my SS benefits. I'm definitely going to need to sit down with a tax professional before I finalize this purchase - there are so many moving pieces between the property purchase timing, depreciation schedules, and how it all interacts with my Social Security taxation. The state tax angle is something I hadn't considered at all either. Thanks for bringing up these important planning considerations that go beyond just the earnings test!

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Just wanted to jump in with some additional reassurance for Tyler and anyone else in a similar situation! I'm 66 now but went through this exact worry when I started collecting SS at 62 while owning rental properties. The consensus here is absolutely correct - rental income does NOT count toward the earnings test. I've been collecting both for 4 years without any issues whatsoever. The key distinction everyone's made about passive vs. active income is spot on. One thing that helped ease my anxiety was actually visiting my local SSA office in person (this was pre-COVID). Sometimes face-to-face conversations can be clearer than phone calls, and they gave me a simple one-page printout explaining the difference between earned and unearned income that I still keep in my files. For what it's worth, I've found that most SSA representatives are pretty knowledgeable about this distinction since it comes up frequently. Don't let the occasional conflicting anecdote (like Max's uncle's situation) discourage you - there are usually other factors at play in those cases. Good luck with your rental property investment! It sounds like you're being appropriately cautious and doing your homework, which is exactly the right approach.

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Thank you so much for this reassuring perspective! It's really helpful to hear from someone who's been successfully managing both income sources for several years. The idea of visiting a local SSA office in person is great - sometimes having that face-to-face conversation and getting something in writing can provide so much peace of mind. I really appreciate how everyone in this thread has taken the time to share their experiences and clear up the confusion between the earnings test and tax implications. It's given me the confidence to move forward with my rental property plans while continuing to collect my Social Security benefits. This community has been incredibly helpful!

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I want to add something that might be helpful for anyone reading this thread in the future - documentation is your friend! When I started collecting Social Security at 64 while also having rental income, I kept a simple folder with: 1. My rental lease agreements 2. Records of basic maintenance and repairs 3. A simple log of tenant interactions 4. Documentation that I'm NOT providing substantial services (no meal prep, daily cleaning, etc.) This helped me feel confident that I was clearly in the "passive rental income" category and not accidentally crossing into self-employment territory. It also made tax time much easier. The peace of mind from having everything documented and organized was worth the small effort. Plus, if SSA ever had questions, I'd have clear records showing typical landlord activities vs. running a real estate business. Tyler, it sounds like you're asking all the right questions and getting great advice here. The rental income won't affect your earnings test, but definitely plan for the potential tax implications on your Social Security benefits as others have mentioned!

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This is such practical advice about documentation! As someone new to this whole situation, I really appreciate the specific list of what to keep track of. It makes sense to have clear records that demonstrate you're just doing normal landlord activities rather than running a business. I'll definitely set up a similar filing system from the start - it sounds like it not only helps with Social Security questions but also makes tax preparation much smoother. Thanks for sharing this organizational tip!

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I've been following this thread with great interest since I'm in a similar boat - 62 and considering early SS while exploring rental property investment. This has been such an educational discussion! One thing I'd like to add that might help others: I recently attended a Social Security workshop at my local library (many libraries offer these for free), and the presenter specifically addressed this rental income question. She emphasized that the key is understanding the difference between "earning" money through work versus "receiving" money through investments or property ownership. The way she explained it really clicked for me: Social Security's earnings test is designed to ensure you're not working full-time while claiming to be "retired." Since rental income comes from property ownership rather than active work, it doesn't trigger the test. She also mentioned that if you're ever unsure about a specific situation, SSA has trained representatives who can walk through scenarios with you. Don't be afraid to call multiple times if you get conflicting information - it's better to be absolutely certain. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread - the collective wisdom here has been incredibly valuable!

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What a fantastic way to explain it - "earning" money through work versus "receiving" money through investments! That distinction really helps clarify why rental income doesn't trigger the earnings test. The library workshop idea is brilliant too - I had no idea those were available. It's so reassuring to hear this same information confirmed through multiple sources (this thread, SSA representatives, educational workshops). I feel much more confident now about moving forward with both Social Security and rental property investment. Thanks for sharing that workshop insight and for emphasizing that it's okay to call SSA multiple times if needed!

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As someone who just went through this exact situation at age 63, I can definitely confirm what everyone else is saying here! I was SO worried about this same issue when I started collecting SS early and then inherited a rental duplex a few months later. The good news is that rental income truly is passive income and won't affect your benefits before FRA. I was skeptical at first (like you, I was confused about what counts as "earnings"), so I called SSA three different times and got the same answer each time - rental income doesn't count toward the $21,240 limit. What really helped me understand it was when the SSA rep explained that the earnings test is specifically about WORK income - wages, salaries, or running an active business. Since rental income comes from owning property (not working), it's in a completely different category. One tip: when you do call SSA to confirm (which I recommend for peace of mind), ask them to document the conversation in your file. That way there's a record of what was discussed if any questions come up later. The tax implications are a separate issue as others have mentioned, but for the earnings test specifically, you're in the clear! Good luck with your rental property purchase - it sounds like a solid plan.

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This is exactly the kind of reassurance I needed to hear! It's so helpful to get confirmation from someone who literally just went through this exact situation. The way you explained how the SSA rep clarified that the earnings test is specifically about WORK income versus property ownership really drives the point home. I love the tip about asking SSA to document the conversation in my file - that's such a smart way to protect yourself and have a paper trail. I'm definitely going to call them once I'm ready to move forward with the property purchase. Thanks for taking the time to share your recent experience - it's given me the confidence to pursue both income sources without worry about the earnings test!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm 64 and in a very similar situation - started collecting SS at 62 and have been nervous about potential rental income affecting my benefits. Reading through everyone's experiences and explanations has really put my mind at ease. What I find particularly reassuring is how consistent the answers have been across multiple sources - SSA representatives, benefits professionals, and people who've actually lived through this situation. The distinction between "earned" income from work versus "passive" income from property ownership makes perfect sense once it's explained clearly. I especially appreciate the practical tips about documentation and calling SSA to get official confirmation in writing. It's clear that while rental income won't trigger the earnings test, I'll need to plan carefully for the tax implications since it could affect how much of my Social Security becomes taxable. Thanks to Tyler for asking the question that so many of us have, and thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences. This is exactly why community forums like this are so valuable - real people sharing real experiences with complex government programs!

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I completely agree with everything you've said! As someone who's been lurking on this forum for a while but never posted before, this thread really convinced me to finally jump in. The consistency across all these different experiences is remarkable and gives me so much confidence. What really stands out to me is how Tyler's original question has helped so many of us who are in similar situations. I'm 65 and have been paralyzed by fear about potentially affecting my Social Security benefits with rental income, but seeing all these real-world examples of people successfully managing both has been a game-changer. The point about community forums being valuable for navigating complex government programs really resonates with me. Sometimes getting clear, practical advice from people who've actually been through it is more helpful than trying to decode official government websites! I'm definitely going to follow the advice about calling SSA for official confirmation and asking them to document it in my file. Thanks to everyone who contributed - this thread is going to help so many people in similar situations!

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What an incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! As a newcomer to this community, I'm amazed by the depth of knowledge and real-world experience shared here. I'm 64 and just starting to navigate the complexities of Social Security while considering rental property investment, so Tyler's question really hit home for me. The consistent message throughout this thread is so reassuring - rental income is passive/unearned income and won't trigger the earnings test before FRA. I love how multiple people explained the key distinction between "earning" money through active work versus "receiving" money through property ownership. That really clarifies why the Social Security Administration treats these differently. The practical advice about documentation, calling SSA for official confirmation, and asking them to note the conversation in your file is invaluable. I also appreciate everyone highlighting that while rental income won't affect the earnings test, it's important to plan for potential tax implications on Social Security benefits. This thread is a perfect example of why community knowledge-sharing is so powerful for navigating complex government programs. Thank you Tyler for asking the question so many of us have, and thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and expertise!

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Welcome to the community, Kayla! I'm also relatively new here and have been amazed by how helpful and knowledgeable everyone is. This thread has been such an eye-opener for me too - I'm 63 and was terrified that ANY additional income would mess up my Social Security benefits. The way everyone has broken down the difference between the earnings test and tax implications has been so educational. I had no idea these were two completely separate considerations! It's given me the confidence to finally move forward with some rental property investments I'd been putting off. I love how this community combines official knowledge with real-world experience. Sometimes hearing "I actually did this and it worked out fine" is exactly what you need to overcome analysis paralysis. Definitely planning to call SSA and get everything documented in my file as everyone has suggested!

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