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Confused about when ex-spousal Social Security benefits are calculated - at my FRA or his?

I've been researching Social Security ex-spousal benefits and now I'm completely confused about the timing. I'm turning 62 next month but planned to delay claiming. I understand I can receive either my full benefit OR half of my ex-husband's, whichever is greater. What I can't figure out is WHEN this calculation happens. If I start receiving my own benefits at 63 next year, does the SSA automatically check if half of my ex's benefit would be more at that time? Or do they only make this comparison when I reach my Full Retirement Age (67 for me)? Or is it related to when my ex reaches his FRA (he's 3 years older)? I'm especially confused about whether I'd get an automatic adjustment later if his half would be more than my benefit. My ex worked in management while I had a lot of years out of the workforce raising our kids, so his benefit should be substantially higher. Anyone have experience with this? The SSA website is so confusing on this topic!

Kaiya Rivera

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The whole ex-spouse benefit thing is SO confusing, but I figured it out last year. When you apply for your own retirement benefit, you can apply for the ex-spouse benefit at the same time. SSA will automatically give you whichever is higher at THAT time - you don't have to wait for either of you to reach FRA. BUT (and this is important), if you claim before YOUR FRA, both your own benefit AND the ex-spouse benefit will be reduced. So if you claim at 63, you'll get a reduced amount of either your own benefit or the ex-spouse benefit, whichever is higher after both are reduced. My advice? Call SSA directly to confirm your specific situation. I tried for THREE WEEKS to get through to them - kept getting disconnected or wait times of 2+ hours. Finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an agent in about 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Totally worth it because the agent walked me through all my options and helped me understand exactly how my benefits would be calculated.

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Amelia Dietrich

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Thank you for this explanation! So if I understand correctly, if I file at 63, they'll compare my reduced benefit to the reduced ex-spouse benefit (50% of his PIA minus my early filing reduction). That makes more sense now. I'm still confused about one thing though - if my ex hasn't filed for his benefits yet when I apply (he's delaying until 70), can I still get the ex-spouse benefit based on his record? Or do I have to wait until he files?

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No, you don't have to wait for your ex to file! That's a common misconception. As long as your ex is ELIGIBLE for benefits (meaning he's at least 62), you can claim on his record even if he hasn't filed yet. You just need to have been married for at least 10 years and be currently unmarried. But @TiredofSSA is right about the reduction - if you file at 63, both benefit calculations get reduced. The ex-spousal benefit at FRA would be 50% of his full PIA, but claiming at 63 means you'd get about 37.5% of his PIA instead (due to early claiming reduction).

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Noah Irving

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I went thru this exact thing! you dont need to worry about when HE reaches FRA, it only matters when YOU file. they look at both benefits when u apply and give u the higher one

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Amelia Dietrich

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That's a relief! I was getting confused by all the different rules. So they automatically compare at the time I file - that makes it simpler than I thought.

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Vanessa Chang

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There are several important technical points to understand here: 1. When you file for your own retirement benefits before FRA, you're deemed to be filing for ALL benefits you're eligible for (including ex-spouse benefits). This is called "deemed filing." 2. SSA will calculate both benefits - your own retirement benefit (reduced for early filing) and your ex-spouse benefit (also reduced for early filing) - and pay you the higher amount. You don't receive both. 3. The comparison happens at the time you file, not at FRA. 4. Your ex's filing status is irrelevant as long as he's eligible for benefits (62+) and you were married for at least 10 years. 5. Once you start receiving benefits, SSA doesn't automatically recalculate later to see if you should switch. However, if your ex hasn't filed yet when you claim, and later files for retirement, you should contact SSA as your benefit amount might change. 6. If you wait until your FRA to file, you could potentially file for just the ex-spouse benefit first and let your own benefit grow until 70 (this strategy only works if you were born before January 2, 1954). I recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to discuss your specific situation before filing.

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Amelia Dietrich

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Thank you for this detailed explanation! One follow-up question: I was born in 1963, so I guess the strategy of filing for just ex-spouse benefits at FRA won't work for me? That's disappointing - I was hoping to let my own benefit grow.

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Vanessa Chang

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That's correct. Since you were born after January 2, 1954, the deemed filing rule applies even at FRA. This means when you file for either benefit (your own or ex-spouse), you're deemed to be filing for both, and you'll receive the higher of the two. The strategy of claiming only ex-spouse benefits while letting your own grow was eliminated by the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. Your options are essentially: 1. File early and take a reduction on whichever benefit is higher 2. Wait until your FRA to avoid reductions 3. Wait until 70 to maximize your own benefit if it will be higher than the ex-spouse benefit It's a complex decision that depends on your financial needs, health, and life expectancy.

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Madison King

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This is ALL wrong information!! My friend said u have to wait until HE files before u can get anything!!! The whole system is RIGGED against divorced women. I tried to get benefits on my ex's record and they kept giving me the runaround. Telling me one thing one day and something different the next!!!! They're just hoping we'll give up and go away.

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Actually, that's incorrect. You DON'T need to wait for your ex-spouse to file for benefits. The law clearly states that if you're divorced, you can claim benefits on your ex's record as long as: - You were married for at least 10 years - You are currently unmarried - Your ex is eligible for benefits (at least 62) - You are at least 62 This is straight from the SSA website. If you received different information, you unfortunately spoke with an SSA representative who wasn't fully informed about the rules.

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Madison King

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Well they told ME I had to wait!!! This is exactly what I mean about getting the runaround. I'm going to call them again tomorrow and DEMAND to speak to a supervisor.

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Julian Paolo

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my mom got her ex-spouse benefit and it was WAY less than she expected. make sure you understand that it's half of his PRIMARY INSURANCE AMOUNT, not half of what he actually gets if he delayed. so if his PIA is like $2400 (what he'd get at FRA) but he delayed to 70 and gets $3200, you'd get half of the $2400, not half of $3200. just FYI

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Amelia Dietrich

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Oh that's a really good point I hadn't considered! So it's based on his FRA amount even if he delays. That actually makes me feel like maybe I should just claim at 63 since waiting wouldn't increase the ex-spouse portion anyway? I need to run some numbers...

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Ella Knight

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I went through something like this last year when I was trying to figure out my options. I waited until my full retirement age which was the right choice for me because it gave me the full 50% of my ex's benefit without any reductions. You might want to calculate both options - what you'd get by taking reduced benefits at 63 versus waiting until your FRA. Sometimes waiting is worth it! The thing that confused me was whether my benefit would be adjusted if my ex got COLA increases. My benefit DOES increase with COLA even though we've been divorced for 15 years, which was a nice surprise.

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Amelia Dietrich

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That's interesting about the COLA increases! I didn't even think about that. Did you have to do anything special to get those increases, or did they just happen automatically?

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Ella Knight

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They happen automatically! Once you're receiving benefits (whether on your own record or as an ex-spouse), you get the same COLA increases as everyone else. No action needed on your part.

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Julian Paolo

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my neighbor told me u can get divorcee benefits even if u remarried??? Is that true??

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Kaiya Rivera

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Nope, that's not accurate. If you remarry, you generally can't collect benefits on your ex-spouse's record unless your later marriage ends (by death, divorce, or annulment). The only exception is if you're collecting survivor's benefits (after an ex has died) and you remarry after age 60.

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To directly answer your question about when the calculation/adjustment comes into effect: it happens at the exact time you apply for benefits. There's no automatic recalculation or adjustment later. If you apply at 63: - SSA will calculate your own reduced retirement benefit - SSA will calculate your reduced ex-spouse benefit (which would be about 37.5% of his PIA instead of the full 50% you'd get at FRA) - You'll receive whichever amount is higher If your own benefit grows over time (due to additional earnings), SSA won't automatically recalculate to see if you should switch between your benefit and the ex-spouse benefit. That's why it's so important to understand the numbers before you file. One last tip: make sure you specifically mention you want to file for ex-spouse benefits when you apply. Sometimes this gets overlooked if you don't explicitly bring it up.

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Amelia Dietrich

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Thank you! That's super clear. I'll definitely make sure to explicitly mention the ex-spouse benefits when I apply. Would bringing my divorce decree to the appointment be helpful, or does SSA already have that information in their system?

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Bringing your divorce decree is always a good idea, along with your marriage certificate if you have it. While SSA might have access to some of this information, having the documents with you can prevent delays. Also bring your ex's Social Security number if you have it (though they can usually find him in their system without it). I'd also recommend bringing recent tax returns, birth certificate, and a government-issued photo ID to your appointment. Better to have too much documentation than not enough!

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