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Confused about Social Security survivor benefits FRA - is it 66 and 10 months or 4 months before age 67?

I'm trying to figure out exactly when my Full Retirement Age (FRA) is for survivor benefits. I spoke with someone at my local Social Security office last week, and they told me my FRA for survivors benefits is 66 and 10 months. But then I was reading through some comments on a retirement planning website and someone mentioned that FRA for survivors benefits is actually 4 months before your regular FRA of 67. Now I'm completely confused. I was born in 1959 if that helps. I lost my husband 3 years ago, and I want to start claiming survivor benefits as soon as I reach FRA next year. I don't want to claim early and get a reduced amount, but I also don't want to wait longer than necessary. Can anyone clarify when I should apply? Do I need to apply a few months before reaching FRA? I'm worried about missing out on payments if I don't time this right.

The SSA representative was correct. For survivor benefits, FRA is different than it is for retirement benefits. If you were born in 1959, your FRA for survivor benefits is indeed 66 and 10 months. The person whose comment you read was probably referring to someone born in a different year. Here's a quick breakdown: - For retirement benefits: If born in 1959, FRA is 66 and 10 months - For survivor benefits: If born in 1959, FRA is ALSO 66 and 10 months You should apply about 3-4 months before you reach your FRA to make sure the benefits start on time. The SSA can accept applications up to 4 months in advance.

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Eve Freeman

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Thank you! That helps clear things up. So it sounds like for me specifically, the FRA is the same for both retirement and survivors benefits. I appreciate the advice on applying 3-4 months early - I'll make a note to start the application process around March next year.

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Caden Turner

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It used to be that survivor FRA was earlier than retirement FRA but now theyre the same for some birth years and different for others. Its all confusing on purpose if u ask me lol. When I got widows benefits they made me wait till I was 66 exactly but my sister inlaw only had to wait till 65 and 8 months for the same thing!

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Eve Freeman

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That's exactly what's confusing me! It seems like the rules are different depending on birth year. Did you apply right when you turned 66 or did you send in the application a few months early?

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Caden Turner

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I applied 2 months b4 and that was cutting it close! They were backed up and I almost missed a payment. Definitely apply earlier than u think u need to!!!!

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For anyone born in 1959, your Full Retirement Age for survivor benefits is indeed 66 and 10 months. The confusion you're experiencing is because the FRA schedules for retirement and survivors benefits diverged for many years, but are now converging again. For people born 1957-1959, the FRA for retirement and survivors is actually the same. For people born in 1960 or later, survivors FRA is 66 and 8 months while retirement FRA is 67 (creating that 4-month difference the commenter mentioned). I'd recommend applying 3 months before reaching your FRA. Mark your calendar for exactly 3 months before you turn 66 and 10 months. This gives SSA enough time to process your application while ensuring you don't leave any money on the table.

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Harmony Love

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this is why i always tell people to just go into the office if they can! too many different rules and birth year scenarios to keep it all straight

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Going in person is certainly helpful if you can manage it. But most SSA offices are still operating with limited in-person services and long wait times. Applying online with the correct information is usually more efficient - just make sure you have accurate information about your specific situation first!

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Rudy Cenizo

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I went through the EXACT same confusion last year about my survivor benefits!!! The online information is SO contradictory and the SSA phone reps told me 3 different things when I called on 3 different days. FINALLY got it sorted but what a nightmare! Just to add to what others have said - make sure you have ALL your documents ready when you apply. They wanted my marriage certificate, my late husband's death certificate, birth certificate, most recent tax return, and even our divorce papers from my first marriage even though that was 30 years ago!!! The whole process took MONTHS longer than it should have because they kept asking for more paperwork. And don't even get me started on trying to reach someone on the phone... I spent 4+ hours on hold multiple times just to get disconnected when they transferred me to a "specialist." 😡

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Eve Freeman

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Oh no, that sounds awful! Thanks for the warning about the documents. I'll start gathering everything now so I'm prepared. I'm dreading the phone calls though - did you ever find a good time of day to call when the wait wasn't so bad?

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One more important point: If you're still working, be aware of the earnings test. Even if you wait until your FRA for survivor benefits, if you earn above certain thresholds before the year you reach FRA, your benefits could be reduced. For 2025, if you're reaching FRA during the year but haven't reached it yet, you can earn up to $59,520 in the months before reaching FRA without reduction (this is an estimate based on current trends; the exact 2025 limit hasn't been announced yet). After you reach FRA, there's no earnings limit, so you can earn any amount without reduction of benefits.

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Eve Freeman

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That's really helpful information. I'm working part-time right now and make about $35,000 annually, so it sounds like I should be under that threshold. Is the earnings test based on yearly income or just the months before reaching FRA?

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It's based on earnings in the months before you reach FRA in the year you reach FRA. So if you turn 66 and 10 months in July 2025, only your earnings from January through July would count toward that higher threshold. At $35,000 annually (roughly $2,917/month), you should be well under the limit even if you only work for half the year before reaching FRA. You're in good shape with those earnings!

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Daryl Bright

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my wife got survivors last year after my brother died and SSA made a HUGE MESS of the whole thing!!! they calculated it wrong first time then fixed it then said they overpaid her by $4,200 then said nevermind that was their mistake too!!! it was a nightmare for 5 months!!! dont trust anything they tell you first time, always double check the math yourself!!!

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Rudy Cenizo

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THIS!!! They did the same thing to my sister - first underpaid, then suddenly claimed she was overpaid by $3,750, then admitted it was their mistake after she spent WEEKS trying to prove she hadn't done anything wrong. The system is broken!!!

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Harmony Love

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have u checked your my social security account? might show ur exact fra date on there

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Eve Freeman

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I did check my account, but it only shows my retirement FRA. I couldn't find specific information about survivor benefits in my account, which is part of why I'm confused.

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To summarize what's been discussed and provide clear direction: 1. Since you were born in 1959, your FRA for survivor benefits is indeed 66 and 10 months 2. Apply 3-4 months before reaching that age to ensure timely processing 3. Gather all your documentation now: marriage certificate, spouse's death certificate, birth certificates, possibly prior marriage/divorce papers, and recent tax returns 4. With your current part-time income of $35,000, you should be under the earnings limit and won't face benefit reductions 5. After you reach your FRA of 66 and 10 months, you can earn unlimited income without affecting your survivor benefits You're doing the right thing by researching this in advance. Planning ahead will make the process much smoother!

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Eve Freeman

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Thank you so much for this clear summary! I feel much more confident now about what to do and when. I'll mark my calendar to apply 3 months before I turn 66 and 10 months, and I'll start gathering all my documentation right away.

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