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Can I work full-time while collecting Social Security at FRA with no penalty (born in 1960)?

I'm trying to plan my retirement and I'm confused about the earnings test. I was born in 1960 and I'm still working full-time with a pretty good salary (around $85,000/year). I don't actually want to retire yet, but I'd like to start collecting Social Security if I can do it without penalties. Is it true that once I reach my Full Retirement Age, I can earn as much as I want without any reduction in benefits? And when exactly is my FRA since I was born in 1960? I've heard different things - some people say 66 and others say 67. Also, if I start collecting at FRA, will my benefit amount be reduced compared to waiting until 70? This is all so confusing!

You're in luck! Since you were born in 1960, your Full Retirement Age (FRA) is 67. And yes, once you reach your FRA, the earnings test no longer applies - you can earn as much as you want with no penalty to your Social Security retirement benefits. Prior to FRA, there is an earnings limit ($22,320 in 2025 if you're below FRA for the full year, with $1 in benefits withheld for every $2 over the limit). As for benefit amounts - collecting at your FRA (67) will give you your full benefit amount. If you wait until 70, you'll get an 8% per year increase (24% total) in your benefit amount. So waiting does give you a permanent increase, but it's not technically a "reduction" if you claim at FRA - that's your full benefit.

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Thank you for the clear explanation! So just to make sure I understand - I can keep working at my current job, making $85k/year, and still collect 100% of my Social Security benefit at 67 with no penalties? And if I wanted the maximum possible benefit, I should wait until 70?

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My bro in law tried collecting early at 62 and BOY was that a mistake with his income! They took back so much $$ it wasnt even worth filing. Better to wait til ur FRA which I think is 67 for you.

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Exactly this. I filed at 62 thinking I could handle the reduction, but then picked up a consulting job and went over the earnings limit by a LOT. The SSA reduced my benefits to zero for several months and it created all kinds of tax headaches. Definitely wait until FRA if you're going to keep working full-time.

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I was born in 1959 and went through this exact situation last year. I'll tell you what the SSA rep told me when I finally got through after calling for THREE DAYS STRAIGHT (so frustrating)! Yes, at your Full Retirement Age, which is 67 for you, the earnings test completely disappears. You can make $1 million a year and still get your full SS benefit. No penalties whatsoever. But here's something to consider: even though you can collect at FRA without penalties, your benefit amount increases by 8% for EACH YEAR you delay filing from 67 to 70. That's a guaranteed 24% increase if you wait until 70! If you're still working and don't need the money, you might want to consider waiting. I kept working and started collecting at 67, but sometimes wonder if I should have waited to 70.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! Did you have any issues with taxes? I've heard that up to 85% of Social Security can be taxable if your income is high enough.

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Ughhh the earnings test is so confusing. I thought FRA was 65 for everybody? Why do different people have different FRAs? The whole system is needlessly complicated! I attempted to call SSA three times this month to get clarification and either got disconnected or was on hold for 2+ hours. Their customer service is TERRIBLE!!! How is anyone supposed to get answers about their benefits????

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Tried calling yesterday about my disability application. Was on hold for 1 hour and 45 minutes before getting disconnected. I found this service called Claimyr that got me through to an agent in 20 minutes today - you should check them out at claimyr.com. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU As for your question - FRA used to be 65 for everyone, but Congress changed it in 1983. It's now between 66 and 67 depending on birth year, with anyone born in 1960 or later having an FRA of 67.

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To answer the original question more directly, here's what you need to know about working while collecting Social Security: 1) Before FRA: There's an earnings limit ($22,320 in 2025), and SSA withholds $1 for every $2 over that limit. 2) Year you reach FRA: Higher limit applies ($59,520 in 2025 for months before reaching FRA), and SSA withholds $1 for every $3 over that limit. 3) After reaching FRA: NO LIMITS! You can earn any amount without reduction in benefits. Your FRA is 67 (for those born 1960 or later). The confusion might come from the fact that FRA used to be 65, then moved to 66 for people born 1943-1954, and then gradually increased to 67 for those born 1960 or later. As for benefit amounts, collecting at FRA (67) gives you your full benefit. Every year you delay past FRA until 70 adds 8% to your benefit (permanently). Every year you claim earlier than FRA (back to 62) reduces your benefit by about 6.7% per year. Hope this helps!

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This is super helpful, thank you! One more question - does the earnings limit only apply to wages, or does it also include things like investment income and pension payments?

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I was in exactly your situation 3 years ago. The earnings test only applies to EARNED income - so wages and self-employment income. Investment income (dividends, interest, capital gains) and pension payments don't count toward the earnings test limit. Just wanted to clarify that point since others haven't mentioned it specifically.

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Great point about earned income vs. unearned income! That's an important distinction that a lot of people miss when planning for Social Security.

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IMPORTANT: Even after FRA when there's no earnings limit, you should know that receiving Social Security while earning a high salary will likely make up to 85% of your SS benefits subject to federal income tax. So while there's no penalty or reduction in benefits after FRA, the tax implications can be significant if you're still earning $85k plus collecting SS. Not saying you shouldn't do it - just be prepared for the tax impact. I'd suggest talking to a tax professional before you make your final decision.

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Good point about taxes - I hadn't thought about that. I'll definitely talk to my accountant before making any decisions. Thanks!

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WAIT! Does anyone know what happens if you're over the limit BEFORE reaching FRA? I heard they take back money but then give it back to you later?? Is that true? So confused about this system!

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Yes, that's partially true. If your benefits are reduced due to the earnings test before FRA, when you reach FRA, the SSA will recalculate your benefit amount to give you credit for the months when benefits were withheld. This results in a higher monthly benefit going forward after FRA. So you do eventually get some of that money back, just in the form of higher monthly payments for the rest of your life rather than a lump sum.

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Just wanted to add my perspective as someone who recently went through this decision process. I'm 62 and was born in 1962, so my FRA is also 67. I've been debating whether to file early or wait. What really helped me was using the SSA's online Break-Even Calculator on their website. It shows you exactly how long you'd need to live to make waiting until 70 "worth it" financially versus claiming at FRA. For most people, if you expect to live past your early 80s, waiting until 70 makes sense mathematically. Also, don't forget that if you have a spouse, your claiming decision affects their survivor benefits too. If you're the higher earner, waiting until 70 maximizes the survivor benefit they'd receive. One more thing - Medicare enrollment is separate from Social Security! You still need to enroll in Medicare at 65 even if you're not claiming Social Security yet. That's a mistake I almost made.

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Welcome to the community! As someone who's been researching this topic extensively, I wanted to add a few practical considerations that might help with your decision. Since you're born in 1960, your FRA is definitely 67, and yes - once you reach 67, you can earn unlimited income without any reduction to your Social Security benefits. The earnings test completely disappears at FRA. Here's something to think about that I don't see mentioned much: if you're planning to work past 67 anyway, consider whether your current earnings might actually increase your Social Security benefit calculation. Social Security uses your highest 35 years of earnings (adjusted for inflation). If you're earning $85k now and that's higher than some of your earlier career years, continuing to work could actually boost your benefit amount since they'll replace lower-earning years in the calculation. Also, one strategy some people use is to file and suspend - you can actually file for benefits at FRA to establish your claim, then immediately suspend payments to earn those delayed retirement credits until 70. This can be useful if you want to preserve certain spousal benefit options while still maximizing your own benefit. Though honestly, if you don't need the money right away, just waiting to file at 70 is simpler. The tax impact others mentioned is real - with your income level plus Social Security, you'll definitely hit that 85% taxable threshold. But that's not necessarily a reason not to claim if you can use the extra cash flow for investments or other financial goals. Have you looked at your actual benefit estimate on ssa.gov? That can help you run the real numbers for your specific situation.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I hadn't thought about the possibility that my current high earnings might actually boost my Social Security calculation by replacing lower-earning years from earlier in my career. That's a great point - I started my career in the 1980s making much less, so continuing to work at $85k could definitely help my benefit amount. The file and suspend strategy sounds interesting but you're right that it might be unnecessarily complicated if I'm not dealing with spousal benefits. I'm single, so I think the simpler approach of just deciding between claiming at 67 vs waiting until 70 makes more sense for my situation. I do have an account on ssa.gov and have looked at my benefit estimates. Seeing the actual dollar amounts really helps put the 8% annual increase in perspective. I think I need to sit down and do the math on total benefits received over different time horizons, like some others have mentioned. Thanks for the practical insights - this community is incredibly helpful for someone trying to navigate all these decisions!

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