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Can I switch to my deceased husband's Social Security benefits while receiving his union pension?

Hi everyone, I lost my husband about 3 weeks ago and I'm trying to figure out our Social Security situation. He was 71 and I just turned 71 last month. His SS benefit was around $2,450 per month while mine is only about $1,675. He worked as a union carpenter for 35 years and I've just been approved to receive his pension from the Carpenter Union. What I'm confused about is whether I can now receive his higher SS payment instead of my own since I'll already be getting his pension? The person I talked to at the local SS office wasn't very clear and kept talking about survivor benefits, but didn't explain if receiving his pension affects anything. Does anyone know if I can switch to his higher benefit or are there restrictions I should know about? This is all so overwhelming to deal with while grieving.

I'm very sorry for your loss. Yes, you should be eligible to receive survivor benefits based on your husband's higher benefit amount instead of your own retirement benefit. The fact that you're receiving his union pension doesn't affect your ability to receive his Social Security survivor benefits - they're completely separate systems. You'll want to apply for survivor benefits as soon as possible since they're not automatically awarded. You'll need his death certificate, your marriage certificate, and both your Social Security numbers when you apply. Since you're already collecting your own benefits, they'll just switch you over to the higher survivor benefit amount.

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Diego Mendoza

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Thank you for the clear explanation. I wasn't sure if the pension would complicate things. I'll gather those documents this week. Do you know if the survivor benefit will be exactly the same as what he was receiving or is there some kind of reduction?

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Sean Flanagan

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So sorry about your husband. My dad died last year and mom had to go through the same thing. The SS office told her she could get dad's higher benefit instead of hers. I think they call it the survivors benefit? But you gotta schedule an appointment and bring lots of paperwork. The death certificate was the main thing they needed.

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Diego Mendoza

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Thanks for sharing about your mom's experience. It helps to hear from someone who's been through something similar. Did it take long for her to start receiving the higher benefit after she applied?

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Zara Shah

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Luca Ferrari

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YES YOU CAN GET HIS HIGHER BENEFIT!!!! But the SSA people WILL NOT automatically give it to you - you HAVE TO ASK FOR IT specifically!!! I went through this exact situation when my husband died and the first SSA rep I talked to didn't even mention I could switch to the higher benefit. Had to go back a second time and insist. They NEVER volunteer the information that benefits you most! Make sure to specifically ask for "surviving spouse benefits" and don't take no for an answer!!!

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Nia Wilson

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While I understand your frustration, I should clarify that you're entitled to the higher of either your own benefit or approximately 100% of what your deceased spouse was receiving if you're at full retirement age (which at 71, you definitely are). It's not that SSA is trying to hide this - sometimes representatives just aren't clear in their explanations. But yes, you absolutely should verify you're receiving the maximum benefit you're entitled to.

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sorry bout your husband passing. my wife get my ss when i die too. we both 68 so i think about this stuff too. the pension thing dont matter for ss benefits. they separate things. but you gotta call them and tell them you want the survivor benefit. take his death certificate when you go in.

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Nia Wilson

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As others have mentioned, you are entitled to receive the higher of either your own benefit or your husband's as a widow. Since you're both past your Full Retirement Age (FRA), you would receive 100% of his benefit amount. The Carpenter Union pension has no effect on this - it's a completely separate retirement system from Social Security. However, there is one important detail: you need to actually apply for survivor benefits, as they aren't automatically awarded. You'll need to contact Social Security directly, and it's best to do this fairly quickly as benefits are only backdated for up to six months from your application date. You'll need: - Your husband's death certificate - Your marriage certificate - Both Social Security numbers - Your bank information for direct deposit You can apply by calling 1-800-772-1213 or visiting your local Social Security office. I recommend making an appointment rather than walking in.

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Diego Mendoza

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Thank you for the detailed information. I'll call tomorrow to make an appointment. Is there anything specific I should say when I call to make sure I'm applying for the right thing? I don't want to get confused about what I'm asking for.

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Sean Flanagan

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My mom went thru this 2 years ago. The survivor benefit from dad was way higher so she switched. She kept getting tripped up because SS uses all these technical terms but basically tell them you want to switch from your retirement benefit to your husband's survivor benefit. And make sure they tell you when the payments will start! Mom thought it would be the next month but it took almost 3 months!

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Diego Mendoza

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Thank you all so much for your helpful responses. I'm going to call tomorrow to set up an appointment and make sure I have all the documents ready. It's a relief to know that the pension won't affect my ability to receive my husband's higher SS benefit. I'll specifically ask for survivor benefits and make sure I understand when the payments will start.

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NebulaNomad

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When my uncle died my aunt had this same issue but it turned out she got messed up because of some government pension offset or something? Anybody know about that? Does that apply to union pensions too?

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Nia Wilson

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You're thinking of the Government Pension Offset (GPO), which can reduce Social Security spousal or survivor benefits for people who receive pensions from government employment where they didn't pay Social Security taxes. However, this doesn't apply to private sector union pensions like the Carpenter Union. Those pension benefits don't affect Social Security benefits because union members pay into both systems separately throughout their working years. The GPO only affects government employees who didn't pay into Social Security during their government service.

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One thing I don't think anyone mentioned yet - when you do switch to survivor benefits, you'll need to contact the Treasury Department to return any of your husband's benefits that may have been paid for the month of death or after. SSA benefits are not prorated - if someone dies any day during a month (even the 31st), that month's payment needs to be returned. It's a bit confusing but important to handle properly to avoid overpayment issues later.

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Diego Mendoza

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I didn't know about that! His payment for last month was direct deposited as usual. Should I not touch that money? Will they take it back automatically or do I need to send it somewhere?

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Nia Wilson

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If your husband's payment for the month in which he died was directly deposited, the bank should be notified. Typically, Social Security will contact the bank to request the return of the payment. However, if the funds have been spent, Social Security will contact you to arrange repayment. It's best to leave those funds untouched until this is resolved. When you have your appointment about survivor benefits, mention this situation so they can help you handle it correctly.

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