Got PA UC non-fraud overpayment letter demanding $5,800 back - help for self-employed
Just got hit with a massive shock - PA unemployment sent me a letter saying I owe $5,800 back from when I was collecting benefits in 2023! It says "non-fraud overpayment" but I was legitimately self-employed and couldn't work during that period. My small photography business had practically zero income and I qualified under the expanded eligibility rules at the time. Has anyone else who was self-employed received these overpayment notices recently? The letter mentions I have appeal rights but doesn't explain WHY they think I was overpaid. I'm totally panicking - I don't have thousands sitting around to repay this! What should I do first? Is there a way to get this dismissed or at least set up some kind of reasonable payment plan?
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Amara Eze
Yes, this is happening a lot lately with self-employed people. PA UC is reviewing old claims and sending these notices out. First thing: DON'T PANIC and DO FILE AN APPEAL immediately - you only have 15 days from the date on the letter! The appeal form should have come with your determination letter. When you file the appeal, request a waiver of the overpayment based on financial hardship and explain that you provided all information truthfully at the time. You'll need to gather all your income documentation from that period to prove you were eligible. Did the letter mention any specific reason for the overpayment?
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Liam McGuire
•Thanks for responding so quickly! The determination letter just says "claimant ineligible under Section 401" and something about insufficient documentation to establish self-employment. But I definitely uploaded all my Schedule C forms and business tax returns when I applied! Should I submit those same documents again with my appeal?
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Giovanni Ricci
omg i got the EXACT SAME LETTER yesterday saying i owe $4200!!! also self-employed (uber driver) and they're saying i didnt qualify now?? this is such bs. i had no income at all during those months and now 2 years later they want money back???
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Liam McGuire
•It's somewhat reassuring (but also terrifying) that I'm not the only one. Did your letter give any specific reason why they're saying you didn't qualify? Mine is frustratingly vague.
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NeonNomad
THEY ARE DOING THIS TO EVERYONE!!!! My cousin got hit with a $7300 bill last month and my neighbor got one for $9000!!! PA UC is DESPERATE for money so they're trying to claw back all the pandemic benefits they can. I don't think they expect everyone to actually pay - they're just hoping some people will panic and start making payments without appealing. DON'T LET THEM BULLY YOU!! Appeal immediately and request a waiver!!!
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Fatima Al-Hashemi
•While it's true that there are more overpayment notices being issued lately, there's no evidence that PA UC is deliberately targeting people to generate revenue. These reviews are often triggered by federal requirements or discrepancies found during cross-matching with tax records. The appeal process exists for a reason, and many legitimate appeals are successful. Filing early and with complete documentation is key.
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Fatima Al-Hashemi
Self-employed worker appeals involving overpayment notices actually have a decent success rate if handled properly. Here's what you need to do: 1. File your appeal ASAP - within 15 days of the determination date 2. Request a "financial hardship waiver" of the overpayment on your appeal form 3. Gather ALL documentation of your self-employment (tax returns, Schedule C, business license, client invoices, 1099s, bank statements showing business expenses, etc.) 4. In your appeal explanation, focus on how you provided accurate information at the time of application 5. If your hearing is scheduled, be prepared to explain in detail how your business was impacted Section 401 issues usually relate to whether you properly documented your self-employment status and income. Many of these are overturned on appeal when proper documentation is provided.
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Liam McGuire
•Thank you for such detailed advice! I'll start gathering everything tonight. My hearing would be via phone, right? Is there a way to check the status of my appeal after I submit it? The website is so confusing.
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Dylan Mitchell
I went through this exact thing last month. sent in my appeal right away. still waiting on hearing date but the collections letters stopped coming at least. make sure you check the box for "waiver due to financial hardship" - thats super important! good luck!
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Giovanni Ricci
•did u have to fill out that financial disclosure form thing? it asks for like ALL my financial info and im not comfortable giving them my bank details and stuff
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Sofia Martinez
I tried calling PA UC for THREE WEEKS about my overpayment notice and could never get through - always busy signals or disconnects after waiting for 2+ hours. Finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an agent in about 20 minutes. The agent explained exactly why I got the overpayment notice and what specific documents I needed for my appeal. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/CEPETxZdo9E?si=WL1ZzVZWG3KiHrg2 Definitely worth it to actually talk to someone who could explain what was going on with my claim rather than stressing about the vague letter.
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Liam McGuire
•I've never heard of this service but I'm desperate to talk to an actual person. Did they need any personal info besides your phone number? And did talking to the agent actually help your case?
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Sofia Martinez
@OP - Yes, talking to the agent helped tremendously. They explained exactly which form was missing from my file (turns out they needed my business registration certificate which I never knew I had to submit). They just needed my phone number to connect the call - nothing invasive. After I got the specific info on what was missing, I included it with my appeal and the overpayment was cancelled. Without that conversation I would have been submitting an incomplete appeal.
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Dmitry Volkov
•thats prob whats happening to everyone here - UC is terrible at telling u what documents they actually need. they just expect ppl to be mind readers
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Amara Eze
One more important thing - while your appeal is pending, you should request a "stay of collections" in writing. This prevents them from starting collection activities like garnishing wages or taking your tax refunds while your appeal is being decided. You can include this request right on your appeal form. Also, if your first appeal is denied, you can file a second-level appeal to the Board of Review within 15 days of getting the first appeal decision. Many cases get overturned at this level.
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Liam McGuire
•Thank you for this tip! I didn't know about the stay of collections option. I just mailed my appeal today with all my documentation and requested both the financial hardship waiver and the stay of collections. Fingers crossed this works out. I'll update this thread when I hear anything.
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Giovanni Ricci
i just checked my mail and got ANOTHER letter saying theyre going to start taking money from my tax refund if i dont pay in 30 days!!! this is insane! im filing the appeal tomorrow but im freaking out
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Fatima Al-Hashemi
•Make sure you specifically request a "stay of collections" in your appeal. Also, call the collections department directly at (866) 403-6163 to inform them you've filed an appeal. They can place a temporary hold on collections actions while your appeal is being processed. If you receive a hearing notice, call and confirm they have your current phone number on file.
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NeonNomad
Does anyone know if accepting a payment plan means you're admitting you owe the money??? My friend started making $50/month payments and now they're saying she can't appeal anymore because she "acknowledged the debt" by making payments. THIS SYSTEM IS RIGGED!!!
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Amara Eze
•Unfortunately, yes - starting a payment plan is generally considered acknowledgment of the debt, which can complicate your appeal rights. It's almost always better to file an appeal first and request a stay of collections while the appeal is pending. Only consider payment plans after exhausting all appeal options.
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Dmitry Volkov
my cousin got one of these and just ignored it. big mistake! they took his entire tax refund last year with no warning. def file the appeal even if u think u might lose
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Liam McGuire
•That's awful! I'm definitely not ignoring this. Just submitted my appeal and requested the stay of collections. Now I'm trying to figure out how to check if they received it. The website doesn't seem to show pending appeals anywhere.
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Fatima Al-Hashemi
Following up on this thread - for anyone dealing with a similar situation, here's what happens after you file your appeal: 1. You should receive an acknowledgment letter within 2-3 weeks 2. A hearing will be scheduled (typically 4-8 weeks after filing) 3. You'll receive a hearing notice with date, time, and instructions 4. Most hearings are conducted by phone 5. The Referee will issue a written decision within 2-3 weeks after the hearing If you haven't received an acknowledgment after 3 weeks, contact the UC Appeals Office for your region (there are six regional offices in PA). Remember that you have the right to request a postponement if you need more time to gather evidence, and you can have a representative or witness participate in your hearing.
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Dylan Mitchell
•my hearing is next week and im so nervous. any tips for what to say? should i talk about how i cant afford to pay it back or just focus on why i qualified in the first place?
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Amara Eze
@casual_commenter Focus primarily on proving you were eligible at the time - that's the most important factor in the Referee's decision. Have your documentation organized and ready to reference. Speak clearly and directly answer questions. Only discuss financial hardship when specifically asked or when presenting your waiver request. Be respectful, don't interrupt, and take notes during the hearing. Good luck!
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Liam McGuire
•I just got my hearing scheduled for three weeks from now. I'm gathering all my documentation. Can anyone who's been through this tell me how long the hearing usually lasts? I need to make arrangements with my current job.
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Dylan Mitchell
mine was about 45 minutes. referee was actually pretty nice and let me explain everything. make sure u have all ur documents ready to go and practice explaining your situation clearly. they record everything so try to stay calm and organized when u talk
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Liam McGuire
•Thanks, that's really helpful to know. I'll make sure to prepare and practice what I want to say beforehand.
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