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Maxwell St. Laurent

What is cynical unemployment and how does NYS Department of Labor handle it?

I keep seeing the term 'cynical unemployment' thrown around online but I can't find any official definition from NYS Department of Labor. Is this actually a real classification or just slang? I'm worried because someone told me my claim might be flagged as this if I turn down job offers that don't match my previous salary. I've been collecting UI for 8 weeks now and doing my weekly claims religiously, but I'm getting nervous about the job search requirements. Can anyone explain what this actually means in terms of NYS Department of Labor rules?

PaulineW

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Cynical unemployment isn't an official NYS Department of Labor term - it's more of an economic concept. It refers to when people choose to remain unemployed because they think the benefits are better than available work opportunities. However, NYS Department of Labor doesn't use this classification. What matters for your claim is that you're able, available, and actively seeking work. As long as you're meeting the job search requirements and not refusing suitable work without good cause, you should be fine.

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That's a relief! I was worried it was some kind of disqualification reason I'd never heard of. What exactly counts as 'suitable work' though?

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Never heard NYS Department of Labor use that term either. Sounds like academic jargon to me. What you need to worry about is voluntary quit vs involuntary separation, able and available status, and your weekly job search activities. Those are the real categories that matter for your UI claim.

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Chris Elmeda

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Exactly this. I spent weeks worrying about made-up terms I found online when I should have been focusing on the actual NYS Department of Labor requirements.

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Jean Claude

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OMG I thought I was the only one confused by this! I've been doing my job search log and everything but kept seeing this term and panicking that I was missing something important. The NYS Department of Labor website doesn't mention it anywhere so I figured it wasn't real but you never know with all the rules they have.

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Charity Cohan

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Look, the whole system is designed to make you paranoid about every little thing. 'Cynical unemployment' is just another way for people to judge folks who are trying to find decent work instead of taking the first minimum wage job that comes along. As long as you're following the NYS Department of Labor job search requirements and not refusing work without good reason, ignore the noise.

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Thanks, that makes me feel better. I've been turning down some really low-paying offers but documenting my reasons in case anyone asks.

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Josef Tearle

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Interesting, I'll check that out. I've been trying to call for weeks about whether certain job types count for my search requirements.

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Shelby Bauman

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same here never heard of it officially but my cousin said something about it when i was complaining about the crappy jobs available right now

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I'm new to the unemployment system and this thread is so helpful! I was also confused by terms I kept seeing online that didn't match what NYS Department of Labor actually uses in their official materials. It sounds like the key is to focus on their actual requirements - doing the weekly certifications, maintaining your job search log, and being able to document that you're actively looking for suitable work. Has anyone had experience with what happens if you do need to turn down a job offer? I want to make sure I understand what constitutes "good cause" for refusing work.

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