Will PayPal/Venmo/Zelle report my gambling stream transactions where I play for followers? They send money as Friends & Family and I return their winnings
So I've been running a streaming channel where I basically gamble on behalf of my followers. Here's how it works - they send me money through PayPal, Venmo or Zelle using the friends & family option. I then use their money to place bets while streaming live. If they win, I withdraw the money and send it back to them through the same payment apps. Sometimes viewers will throw me tips for the entertainment, but most of the time I'm just playing with their money and sending back any winnings they get. I'm not taking a cut of the wins - just occasionally getting tips if they feel generous. I'm starting to wonder about the tax implications here. Since these payments are coming in as friends & family transactions, will PayPal, Venmo or Zelle report these to the IRS if they go over a certain dollar amount? Even though I'm just temporarily holding the money and sending it back? I'm getting confused about whether what I'm doing counts as providing a "service" for tax purposes or if I'm just a middleman handling money that isn't technically mine.
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Rebecca Johnston
What you're describing raises several tax concerns that you should be aware of. First, yes, payment platforms like PayPal, Venmo, and Zelle are required to report transactions to the IRS when they exceed certain thresholds, even when marked as Friends & Family. Currently, the reporting threshold is for users who receive more than $20,000 AND have more than 200 transactions in a calendar year, but this is changing. What you're doing would likely be considered a service from a tax perspective. You're facilitating gambling activities for others and occasionally receiving tips, which would constitute income. Even if you're just passing most of the money back to your followers, you're still providing entertainment and gambling services. I would recommend keeping detailed records of all money coming in and going out. Track each transaction showing when followers send you money, when you return winnings, and when you receive tips. This documentation will be crucial if you're ever audited.
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Nathan Dell
•But what if the amounts are small? Like if most people only send me $50-100 at a time to gamble with? Do I still need to worry about this? And does it matter that I'm not taking a commission on the wins?
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Rebecca Johnston
•The size of individual transactions doesn't exempt you from tax obligations. While smaller amounts might not trigger automatic reporting from payment platforms, you're still required to report all income, regardless of amount. The fact that you're not taking a commission on winnings doesn't change the nature of what you're doing. You're still providing a service by gambling on behalf of others, and any tips you receive are definitely taxable income. The IRS would likely view you as operating a business, even if it's small scale.
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Maya Jackson
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Tristan Carpenter
•Does it work for crypto transactions too? I do something similar but some of my people pay in BTC and I've been completely lost on how to track that for taxes.
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Amaya Watson
•I'm skeptical about these tax tools. How does it actually know what's your income vs just pass-through money? Wouldn't you still have to manually categorize everything anyway?
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Maya Jackson
•Yes, it absolutely works with crypto! They have specific features for tracking crypto transactions and can differentiate between personal holdings and money you're handling for others. It generates reports that break down your crypto activity for tax purposes which saved me tons of headaches. For your question about categorizing transactions, that's what impressed me most. The AI actually recognizes patterns in your payment history. So when it sees money coming in and then similar amounts going back to the same person shortly after, it flags it as potential pass-through funds rather than income. Of course you can review and adjust anything it categorizes, but it does the heavy lifting automatically.
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Amaya Watson
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Grant Vikers
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Giovanni Martello
•How does this actually work though? I thought it was impossible to skip the IRS phone queue. Sounds like a scam to me.
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Savannah Weiner
•Is it worth paying for this? Couldn't you just keep calling the IRS yourself until you get through?
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Grant Vikers
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Giovanni Martello
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Levi Parker
I think you're playing with fire here. What you're describing is basically operating as an unlicensed gambling service, which could have legal implications beyond just taxes. Most states have strict regulations about who can facilitate gambling activities. Has anyone looked into the legality of this streaming setup?
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Libby Hassan
•This is actually a really good point that nobody's mentioned yet. Depending on what state you're in, you might be breaking gambling laws regardless of how you handle the taxes. Some states consider this type of activity illegal gambling regardless of whether you're taking a cut.
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KingKongZilla
•I hadn't really thought about the legality aspect beyond taxes. I'm streaming on a platform that allows gambling content, and I'm not hosting the actual gambling site - just playing on established online casinos using their money. But you're right that there might be state regulations I don't know about. Does anyone know if there's a difference between this and just having friends send you money to place bets for them? I'm essentially doing the same thing but with online followers instead of IRL friends.
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Hunter Hampton
One thing I learned from doing something similar was that PayPal specifically has been getting more aggressive with reporting. They flagged my account for "commercial activity" even though I was just handling money for friends. They can actually put holds on your funds if they think you're using F&F for business purposes. Have you considered setting up a proper business entity like an LLC? Might give you more protection and clearer tax separation between your personal finances and this streaming activity.
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Sofia Peña
•This happened to me too! PayPal limited my account and I had to provide all kinds of documentation to prove I wasn't running an unregistered business. Took weeks to resolve and they still ended up keeping some of my money for "fees" they retroactively applied.
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Emma Thompson
You're walking into a complex situation that involves multiple areas of law and regulation. Beyond the tax implications others have mentioned, you need to be aware that what you're describing could potentially violate several federal and state laws. From a tax perspective, the IRS will likely view this as a business activity regardless of whether you take a commission. You're providing entertainment services and facilitating gambling transactions, which creates taxable events. The "Friends & Family" designation doesn't protect you from tax obligations - it just changes how payment processors report the transactions. More importantly, you may be operating as an unlicensed money transmitter, which is regulated at both federal and state levels. When you accept money from one person and transmit it to gambling sites, then return winnings to the original sender, you're essentially moving money on behalf of others - which often requires licensing. Additionally, many states have strict laws about who can facilitate gambling activities. Some states might consider what you're doing illegal gambling regardless of your streaming platform's policies. My strong recommendation is to consult with both a tax attorney and a gaming law attorney before continuing this activity. The potential legal and financial consequences far outweigh any entertainment value or tips you might receive.
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Aurora St.Pierre
•This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice the OP needs to hear. I'm new to this community but have been following similar situations in other forums, and Emma's points about money transmitter laws are spot on. I've seen several streamers get into serious trouble because they didn't realize that handling other people's money for gambling could classify them as unlicensed money transmitters. The penalties can be severe - we're talking potential federal charges, not just tax issues. @KingKongZilla - I'd really encourage you to pause this activity until you can get proper legal advice. The entertainment value and occasional tips aren't worth the risk of federal prosecution or having your accounts frozen by multiple payment processors simultaneously.
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Ava Williams
As someone new to this community, I have to echo what Emma and Aurora have said - you're potentially walking into a legal minefield here. I've been researching similar situations after seeing friends get into trouble with payment processors and regulatory agencies. One aspect that hasn't been fully explored is the streaming platform's terms of service. Many platforms have specific rules about financial transactions conducted through their services, and facilitating gambling with viewer money could violate their terms even if it's technically legal in your jurisdiction. Also, consider the liability issues - if someone claims you lost their money unfairly or if there are technical issues during a stream that affect the gambling outcomes, you could face civil lawsuits. Without proper business structure and potentially insurance, you're personally liable for any disputes. The tax complexity alone should be a red flag. Even if you're just "passing through" money, the IRS will want documentation proving the flow of funds, and any mistakes in reporting could trigger audits or penalties that cost more than whatever entertainment value this provides. I'd strongly suggest stepping back from this activity until you can consult with professionals who specialize in gaming law and business formation. The risks here extend far beyond just tax reporting.
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Liam Sullivan
•This is really eye-opening discussion for someone just joining this community. I had no idea that what seemed like a simple streaming setup could involve so many different legal areas - money transmitter laws, gaming regulations, platform terms of service violations, and personal liability issues. The point about streaming platform terms of service is particularly important. Even if you somehow navigate all the federal and state regulations, violating your streaming platform's terms could get you banned and lose your entire audience overnight. @KingKongZilla - have you checked your streaming platform's specific policies about financial transactions? Most major platforms have gotten much stricter about this kind of activity lately. And the liability concern is huge - what happens if your internet cuts out during a big bet or there's a dispute about whether someone's money was returned properly? It sounds like the safest approach is definitely to pause this whole operation and get proper legal consultation before continuing. The potential consequences seem way too serious to risk just for entertainment content and occasional tips.
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Ravi Sharma
As a newcomer to this community, I'm genuinely concerned after reading through all these responses. The legal and financial risks everyone has outlined are extensive and serious - from potential money transmitter violations to gaming law issues to platform terms violations. What strikes me most is how what seemed like a simple streaming concept has so many different regulatory pitfalls. The fact that multiple experienced members are independently raising red flags about federal law violations, state gambling regulations, and personal liability issues should be a major wake-up call. @KingKongZilla - I really hope you take the advice here seriously about consulting with gaming law and tax attorneys before continuing. The consensus seems clear that this activity could expose you to risks far beyond what any entertainment value or tips could justify. Even if you've been doing this for a while without issues, that doesn't mean you're in the clear - regulatory enforcement can happen at any time, and the consequences could be life-changing. It might be worth exploring completely different streaming content that doesn't involve handling other people's money for gambling. There are so many successful streamers who build audiences without taking on these kinds of legal and financial risks.
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Jessica Nguyen
•I'm also new here, but this discussion has been incredibly educational about how complex seemingly simple activities can become from a regulatory perspective. The unanimous concern from experienced community members about the legal risks is striking. What particularly worries me is that @KingKongZilla mentioned they've been doing this for a while - which means there could already be a paper trail of transactions that regulatory agencies could scrutinize retroactively. Even if they stop now, there might still be compliance issues to address from past activity. The point about streaming platform violations is especially important since that could be the most immediate consequence. Getting banned from your platform would shut down the entire operation instantly, regardless of what legal issues might be brewing in the background. I'd echo everyone's advice about seeking professional legal counsel, but also suggest documenting everything you've done so far - transaction records, platform communications, etc. If this does become a legal issue, having comprehensive records could be crucial for your defense. Better to over-prepare than be caught without documentation if regulators come asking questions.
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