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Danielle Mays

Will I face penalties if I skipped 1040-ES estimated payments due to lower income in 2023?

In 2022, my spouse and I were both working full-time W2 jobs and ended up owing about $10,500 in federal taxes when we filed. Because of this underpayment, the tax software we used generated 1040-ES estimated payment vouchers for 2023. Here's where things changed: At the beginning of 2023, my spouse lost their job, so we went down to just one income (still W2). Since our household income dropped significantly, we decided NOT to make those 1040-ES estimated quarterly payments. I've been using the IRS tax withholding calculator with my current single W2 income, and it's showing we're actually on track to get a refund for 2023. The withholding from my paycheck seems to be covering our tax liability adequately. My concern is: Did we screw up by not making those 1040-ES payments? I know they were calculated based on our dual-income situation from 2022, which doesn't reflect our current financial reality. But I'm worried the IRS was expecting those payments regardless of our change in circumstances. Are we going to face penalties or other issues when we file our 2023 taxes? I don't want to get in trouble for trying to be practical about our actual tax situation. Thanks for any guidance!

Roger Romero

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You made the right call. The IRS doesn't care about those specific 1040-ES vouchers - they care about whether you've paid enough tax throughout the year to avoid an underpayment penalty. There are actually several ways to avoid the underpayment penalty: 1) Pay at least 90% of your current year tax liability through withholding/estimated payments 2) Pay 100% of your prior year tax liability (110% if your AGI was over $150,000) 3) Owe less than $1,000 when you file Since your income dropped and you're now on track for a refund, you're clearly going to satisfy the first condition. Your current withholding will cover more than 90% of your 2023 tax liability. The 1040-ES vouchers are just estimates based on previous year data, not binding obligations. When your financial situation changes significantly (like going from two incomes to one), it's completely reasonable to adjust your tax payment strategy.

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Anna Kerber

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What about the safe harbor rule though? I thought you HAD to pay at least 100% of your previous year's tax regardless of income changes. Am I misunderstanding something?

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Roger Romero

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That's a common misunderstanding! The safe harbor rule is just one way to avoid the underpayment penalty, not a requirement. The 100% of previous year tax (or 110% for higher incomes) is simply one of the methods you can use to guarantee no penalty. But if you pay at least 90% of your current year's tax liability through withholding/estimated payments, you won't face penalties regardless of how it compares to last year. Since the OP is on track for a refund, they're paying 100%+ of their current year liability already through withholding.

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Niko Ramsey

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Jabari-Jo

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I'm kinda skeptical of these tools...how accurate is it really? Like did it actually predict your tax situation correctly when you finally filed?

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Niko Ramsey

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Yes, it handles investment income really well! I had some dividend income and a small capital gain from selling some stocks last year. You can either upload your 1099s or manually enter the information. It incorporates all that into the calculation. For your second question, it was surprisingly accurate. When I finally filed my taxes, I was within about $200 of what taxr.ai predicted. The difference was just due to a small year-end bonus I hadn't accounted for. It correctly predicted that I wouldn't face any underpayment penalties despite skipping those estimated payments.

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Jabari-Jo

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Kristin Frank

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Micah Trail

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Nia Watson

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Kristin Frank

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Nia Watson

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Just wanted to add that there's a special rule for W2 employees that many people don't know about! If your tax is being withheld from regular paychecks, the IRS treats those withholdings as if they were made evenly throughout the year, EVEN IF they weren't. So if you increase your withholding in the last few months of the year to catch up, the IRS treats it as if you had been paying that amount all year. This doesn't work for self-employed people making estimated payments, but for W2 folks, it's a great safety net.

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Is this actually true? That would be a huge help for me. I just realized I'm under-withheld for 2023 and was thinking about submitting a new W-4 to increase withholding for the last two months.

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Yes, absolutely true! It's one of the less known advantages for W2 employees. The IRS regulations consider withholding to have been paid proportionally throughout the year regardless of when it was actually withheld. So you can absolutely submit a new W-4 now to increase your withholding for the remaining months of 2023, and the IRS will treat it as if you had been paying at that higher rate all year long. This can help you avoid underpayment penalties even if you were under-withheld for most of the year.

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Marcus Marsh

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Can someone explain the 1040-ES form to me? Is that something everyone needs to file or just self-employed people? My tax situation is changing next year and I'm trying to figure out what forms I'll need.

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Form 1040-ES is for making estimated tax payments, not just for self-employed people. You need it if you expect to owe $1,000 or more when you file your tax return AND your withholding/credits won't cover at least 90% of current year tax (or 100%/110% of prior year). Most W2 employees don't need it because their employer withholds enough from their paychecks. But if you have significant income not subject to withholding (investments, rental income, side gigs), you might need to make estimated payments using 1040-ES.

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