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Why is box 12c on my W-2 showing employer contributing the entire amount when I paid most of it?

I'm so confused about my W-2 this year and hoping someone can help me figure this out. I contributed $4200 to my retirement account through payroll deductions, and my employer added another $1350 as their contribution. But when I look at box 12c on my W-2, it shows that my employer contributed the entire $5550! That doesn't seem right to me at all. When I'm doing my taxes and I change the amount to show only the $1350 employer contribution and enter the $4200 that I actually contributed (which was pre-tax, but I can only find the option to enter what I contributed outside of payroll), my federal taxes due drops by a LOT. Like surprisingly a lot. Am I doing something wrong here? Is this normal for box 12c to show everything as employer contribution even when most of it came from my paycheck? I don't want to mess up my taxes and either pay way too much or get in trouble later. Any help would be really appreciated!!

The confusion you're experiencing is actually pretty common! Box 12c on your W-2 is showing the combined total of both your contributions AND your employer's contributions, which is why you're seeing the full $5550 amount there. This is normal and how it's supposed to be reported. Your pre-tax contributions were already excluded from your taxable wages reported in Box 1 of your W-2. That's why when you're entering your tax information, you shouldn't be making additional adjustments to show "your contribution" separately - it's already been accounted for in your reduced taxable income. When you manually change the amount and try to indicate that you contributed separately, you're essentially double-counting the tax benefit of your contributions, which is why your tax due decreases so dramatically. The system is working correctly by showing the full amount in Box 12c.

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Wait, so if my employer matches 5% of my contributions and I put in 10% of my salary, would Box 12c show 15% of my salary total? I've always been confused about this too.

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Yes, that's exactly right! If you contribute 10% of your salary and your employer matches 5%, Box 12c would show the combined amount, which would be 15% of your salary. Your W-2's Box 1 (taxable wages) would already be reduced by your 10% contribution since it's pre-tax, and Box 12c simply shows the total retirement contributions, both yours and your employer's. The key thing to remember is that you don't need to report your own contributions separately when filing taxes - they've already been accounted for in your reduced taxable income in Box 1.

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How does this work with Roth 401k contributions? Those aren't pre-tax so would they still show up the same way in box 12c?

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For Roth 401k contributions, they still appear in box 12c but will have a different code - often "AA" instead of "D" for traditional 401k contributions. Even though Roth contributions are after-tax, they still count toward your annual contribution limit, which is why they're reported. Regarding your question about comparing it to other tax software - what I found different was it actually explained WHY certain numbers appear where they do on tax forms. Most tax software just tells you where to enter numbers but doesn't explain the reasoning behind them. I could literally ask questions about my specific situation and get explanations that made sense.

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I'm a payroll administrator, and I see this confusion all the time with employees. The way Box 12c works is that it shows the TOTAL CONTRIBUTIONS to qualified plans, not just what the employer contributed. Your contributions were already taken out pre-tax, meaning they've already reduced your taxable wages in Box 1. If you were to enter your contributions separately when filing taxes, you'd essentially be double-dipping on the tax benefit. That's why your tax due dropped dramatically when you did that - but it would be incorrect and could potentially trigger an audit.

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This makes sense now! So just to be 100% clear - I should just use the W-2 exactly as is and not try to separate out what I contributed vs what my employer contributed when filing, right? And if I'm using tax software, should I just enter the W-2 information exactly as it appears on the form?

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Yes, that's exactly right! You should use the W-2 exactly as is and not try to separate your contributions from your employer's when filing. The tax software is designed to handle this correctly when you enter your W-2 information as it appears on the form. Your pre-tax contributions have already reduced your taxable wages in Box 1, which is the primary tax benefit. Box 12c simply reports the total qualified retirement plan contributions for informational purposes and to ensure compliance with annual contribution limits. Trying to separate them out would incorrectly give you a double tax benefit.

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Has anyone noticed that the way this is reported seems designed to confuse people? I almost made this same mistake last year. I think the form should clearly indicate "employee contributions" and "employer contributions" separately instead of lumping them together. Would save so many people headaches!

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Totally agree! The tax code and forms seem deliberately confusing. I've been doing my own taxes for 15 years and still learn something new every year. The IRS could make this so much clearer with better labeling.

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