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StarGazer101

Why does paying for gas with a credit card cost more if merchant processing fees are tax deductible?

So I was filling up my truck yesterday at the Chevron down the street and noticed they have two different prices - one for cash and one for credit card that was like 60 cents more per gallon! I ended up paying almost $12 more just because I used my credit card instead of cash. This got me thinking... aren't merchant processing fees tax deductible for businesses? If gas stations can write off these credit card fees as a business expense, why do they still pass the full cost onto us customers? They're basically getting reimbursed for these fees through tax deductions AND charging us extra. Seems like double dipping to me. I understand businesses need to make profit but it seems unfair they get to deduct these processing fees AND make customers pay extra. Is there something I'm missing about how merchant processing fees and tax deductions actually work? Are they really saving money on taxes while making us pay more?

The tax deduction doesn't work quite the way you're thinking. While merchant processing fees are indeed tax deductible business expenses, that doesn't mean the business gets that money back dollar-for-dollar. A tax deduction just reduces the amount of income that gets taxed. So if a gas station pays $10,000 in credit card processing fees in a year, and they're in the 21% corporate tax bracket, that deduction saves them about $2,100 in taxes - not the full $10,000. They're still out $7,900. Gas stations typically operate on very slim margins (sometimes just pennies per gallon), so they can't easily absorb those processing fees. When you pay with a credit card, they might be charged 2-3% of the transaction amount. That's why many smaller stations offer cash discounts rather than explicitly charging card fees - it's basically the same thing just framed differently.

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Paolo Romano

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Wait - so they're still losing money on the credit card transactions even with the tax write-off? Then why do some places charge WAY more than what seems reasonable? The station near me charges like 60-70 cents more per gallon for credit, which on a 15 gallon fill-up is like $9-10 extra. No way the processing fee is that high right?

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You're right to question those large price differences. The actual processing fee shouldn't be anywhere near 60-70 cents per gallon. Typically, credit card processors charge somewhere between 1.5% to 3.5% of the total transaction, depending on the card type and the merchant's agreement. For gas that's $3.50 per gallon, a 3% fee would only be about 10.5 cents per gallon. Some stations are definitely charging more than just passing on the processing fee. They may be using this as a way to improve their overall margins or to strongly incentivize cash payments (which also have benefits for them beyond avoiding processing fees).

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Malik Johnson

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - gas stations are regulated differently than most businesses. In many states, there are specific laws about how gas prices are displayed and advertised. Some states actually require gas stations to show the lowest price (cash price) on their big signs. Also, gas stations often pay higher processing fees than other retailers because of the high dollar amounts and fraud potential. The card networks classify them as "high-risk merchants" which means higher rates.

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Do you know if there's any regulation about how much extra they can charge for credit? My local station is charging almost a dollar more per gallon for credit vs cash which seems WAY more than the actual processing fee would be.

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Malik Johnson

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The regulations vary by state, but generally there's no strict limit on the price difference. However, in most states, they do need to clearly post both prices. Some states like California have regulations requiring that credit card surcharges can't exceed the actual cost to the merchant, but enforcement is spotty. The large difference you're seeing (nearly a dollar) is definitely more than just covering the processing fee. It's likely they're using the cash discount to encourage a payment method that has other benefits for them - faster settlement, no chargebacks, and possibly some unreported cash transactions. It's a way to improve their overall margins in a business with typically very thin profit margins.

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Ravi Sharma

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Former gas station manager here. The credit/cash price difference isn't just about processing fees and tax deductions. There's more to it. 1) Cash payments are immediate. Credit card payments can take 2-3 days to process, which affects cash flow. 2) Cash transactions have no risk of chargebacks, which are a huge headache. 3) Cash transactions are faster at the pump, meaning more customers served. 4) Credit card companies charge higher rates for premium cards (those 2% cashback cards cost merchants more). Yes, the processing fees are tax deductible, but like someone else said, that only saves us about 21% of the actual fee. We're still paying the other 79%.

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Freya Larsen

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Is it true that gas stations make almost no money on the actual gas and make all their profit on the convenience store stuff? I've heard that's why they try so hard to get people inside the store.

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