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Yara Khoury

Paying Estimated Taxes with Pay1040 - Different Convenience Fee Rates?

I noticed something odd while trying to pay my Q4 estimated taxes today. The IRS website (as of Jan 18, 2025) clearly states that Pay1040's credit card convenience fee is 1.75%, but when I clicked through to their actual website, they're showing a 2.89% convenience fee! I double-checked by starting a checkout process and yep, they're definitely trying to charge the higher rate. I'm specifically wanting to use my credit card for these payments (working that points game lol), but this fee discrepancy is frustrating. After some experimenting, I found they're charging: - 2.89% for my Amex cards (both personal Platinum and business Platinum) when paying federal 1040-ES estimated taxes - Only 1.75% when using my regular Visa cards I also tried ACI payments as an alternative - their fee (1.85%) is at least consistent between the IRS site and their own site. But they won't accept my Amex Business Platinum or Chase Ink Business Preferred for personal estimated taxes. Has anyone else run into this while paying Q4 estimated taxes? Any workarounds or insights on why there's such a big difference between what the IRS says Pay1040 charges vs. what they actually charge?

Keisha Taylor

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The discrepancy you're seeing is actually a common issue this tax season. The IRS website hasn't been updated to reflect Pay1040's current fee structure which varies by card type. What you're experiencing is exactly right - they charge different convenience fees based on the type of card you're using. For personal cards, Visa tends to be the lowest at 1.75%, while Amex cards are indeed charged at 2.89% due to their higher interchange fees. For business cards, the rates are typically higher across all processors because of how merchant category codes work for tax payments. If you're trying to maximize point value while minimizing fees, your best bet might be using a personal Visa card that offers good rewards for general spending. Alternatively, if your Amex Platinum offers enough value per point to offset the higher fee, it might still be worth using despite the 2.89% rate.

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If I'm paying a significant amount for Q4 (like $10k+), is there any way to get these fees waived or reduced? Or is there another payment processor with lower fees for Amex cards specifically? I've got the Amex Gold that gives me 4x on certain categories so I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it even with the higher fee.

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Keisha Taylor

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For payments that large, the fees unfortunately can't be waived as they're how these processors make their money. For your Amex Gold situation, you need to do the math on point value. The 4x categories don't typically include tax payments - those usually code as government services which is generally 1x points. Even with a 2.89% fee, if you value Amex points at more than 2.89 cents each, it could be worthwhile. Most people value Amex points between 1.5-2.0 cents each, which would make the fee higher than the reward value. You might be better off with a 2% flat cashback Visa card at the 1.75% fee rate, giving you a small 0.25% profit.

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Paolo Marino

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Amina Bah

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Oliver Becker

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Paolo Marino

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Amina Bah

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How exactly does this Claimyr thing work? Do they just stay on hold for you? Seems like something I could do myself with a speakerphone...

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Oliver Becker

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Oliver Becker

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I need to eat my words and apologize to the Claimyr folks. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway out of desperation to resolve my estimated tax payment issues with Pay1040 charging me different rates on different cards. Honestly, I'm shocked. It actually worked exactly as described. I submitted my request around 9am, went about my day, and got a call around 2pm connecting me directly to an IRS agent. No hold time on my end at all. The agent explained that payment processors have agreements with different card networks that result in varying fees, and confirmed the IRS website info was outdated. They also gave me a direct reference number for my payment issues and transferred me to a specialized department that helped me resolve a previous estimated tax payment that had been misapplied. Worth every penny for the 5 hours of hold time I didn't have to endure!

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Emma Davis

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Has anyone tried using the IRS Direct Pay option instead of credit cards? There's no fee at all since it pulls directly from your checking account. I've been using it for years for my quarterly estimated taxes and never had an issue.

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LunarLegend

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But then you miss out on all those sweet credit card points! I calculated that even with the 1.75% fee, I come out ahead using my 2% cashback card. Plus, Direct Pay doesn't give you the float time that a credit card does - that 30-45 day payment window can be really helpful for cash flow management when you're making big tax payments.

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Emma Davis

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You make a good point about the potential rewards and float time. I guess it comes down to your personal financial strategy and what cards you have. For someone with a good cashback or rewards card, the math might work out in favor of paying the fee. In my case, I prefer the simplicity of Direct Pay and not having to calculate if I'm coming out ahead after fees.

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Malik Jackson

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Can someone explain why businesses are allowed to advertise one fee on the IRS website but charge another on their own site? Isn't this false advertising or some kind of bait and switch? I got burned by this last quarter when I budgeted for the 1.75% and got hit with 2.89% on my Amex.

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Keisha Taylor

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It's in a gray area legally. The issue is that the IRS website shows the lowest possible fee any card might be charged, not necessarily what your specific card will be charged. Pay1040 and other processors have language in their terms of service about "fees may vary by card type" that technically covers them.

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Omar Zaki

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I've been dealing with this same issue for months! The fee discrepancy between what's advertised and what's actually charged is incredibly frustrating, especially when you're trying to budget for quarterly payments. What really bothers me is that these payment processors seem to have zero incentive to be transparent about their actual fee structure. I've started keeping a spreadsheet tracking the real fees I get charged versus what was advertised, and the differences are significant - especially for business cards. One thing I learned the hard way is to always complete a test transaction for a small amount first (like $1) to see what fee structure you'll actually be charged before making your full quarterly payment. Yes, you'll eat the fee on the test transaction, but it's better than being surprised by hundreds of dollars in unexpected fees on a large payment. Has anyone had any luck disputing these fee discrepancies with their credit card company? I'm wondering if there's any recourse when the advertised rate is significantly different from what you're actually charged.

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Sean Murphy

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That's a really smart strategy with the test transaction! I wish I had thought of that before getting hit with unexpected fees. Regarding disputing with credit card companies - I haven't tried that approach yet, but it seems like it could work if you can document that the advertised rate was different from what was actually charged. Have you considered filing a complaint with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) about the misleading fee advertising? They handle complaints about financial service providers and might be able to apply pressure to get these processors to be more transparent about their actual fee structures upfront.

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Ethan Taylor

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This is exactly why I've started using a completely different approach for my estimated tax payments. Instead of dealing with these confusing processor fees, I set up automatic withdrawals through EFTPS (Electronic Federal Tax Payment System) directly with the Treasury. It's completely free, pulls directly from your bank account, and you can schedule payments in advance for all four quarters at once. No surprise fees, no card restrictions, and no worrying about whether you're getting the advertised rate or some hidden higher fee. The only downside is you don't get credit card rewards, but honestly, the peace of mind and predictability is worth more to me than chasing points and dealing with these fee discrepancies. Plus, you can still use your credit cards for other spending to earn rewards without the hassle of navigating these payment processor games. For anyone interested, you can set it up at eftps.gov - it takes about a week to get verified initially, but once you're set up, quarterly payments are completely automated and stress-free.

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Luca Esposito

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This is really helpful! I had no idea EFTPS could schedule all four quarters at once - that sounds like a game changer for planning. Quick question: when you set up the automatic payments, can you still modify or cancel them if your income changes throughout the year and you need to adjust your estimated payments? I'm always paranoid about having large automatic payments locked in when my freelance income can be unpredictable.

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