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Lindsey Fry

Why can I be taxed on car sale profits but can't claim a capital loss when selling a car for less than I paid?

So I've been going through this annoying situation with my car recently. I bought a Toyota 4Runner back in 2020 for about $39,000 and with the crazy used car market lately, I was able to sell it for around $45,500 (I know, weird times). My accountant friend mentioned I'd owe capital gains tax on that $6,500 profit. But that got me thinking... what if I had lost money on the sale instead? Like if I had to sell it for $30,000 due to an accident or something? From what I understand, I wouldn't be able to claim that as a capital loss on my taxes. This seems completely unfair. If the IRS wants to tax me when I make money selling my personal vehicle, shouldn't I also be able to deduct losses when I sell at a loss? Honestly wouldn't it make more sense to just exempt personal vehicles from capital gains altogether? The whole thing feels like a one-sided deal where they only apply the rules when it benefits them. Anyone else deal with this or understand why the tax code works this way?

Saleem Vaziri

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The tax code treats personal-use property (like your car) differently than investment property. You're right that it seems unfair at first glance, but here's why it works this way: Personal-use assets like cars, furniture, clothing, etc. are considered capital assets, but they're subject to special rules. When you sell a personal-use item at a gain, that gain is indeed taxable as a capital gain. However, losses from selling personal-use property are generally not deductible because they're considered personal expenses, not business or investment losses. The reasoning behind this is that most personal items depreciate naturally through use and enjoyment. If losses were deductible, people could potentially claim tax deductions on nearly everything they own that loses value over time - from cars to smartphones to furniture. The IRS views this as a personal cost of living rather than an investment loss. There are exceptions though. If you used your car partially for business (and properly documented it), you might be able to deduct a portion of the loss related to business use.

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Kayla Morgan

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So basically the IRS gets to have their cake and eat it too? That doesn't seem right... Does this apply to all personal items or just vehicles specifically? Would the same rule apply if I sold like, a rare baseball card collection or something?

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Saleem Vaziri

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This rule applies to virtually all personal-use items, not just vehicles. So yes, it would generally apply to your baseball card collection too, unless you could establish that you were holding the cards as an investment rather than for personal enjoyment. For collectibles like baseball cards, coins, art, etc., the IRS looks at your intent and behavior. If you can demonstrate you purchased and maintained them primarily as investments (documentation of purchase prices, professional appraisals, proper storage, insurance specifically for investment value, etc.), then you might be able to deduct losses when you sell them. But if they were primarily for personal enjoyment or use, then the same rules apply - gains are taxable but losses aren't deductible.

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Rachel Tao

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I'm just gonna throw this out there - I think the reason they don't allow deductions for personal vehicles is because almost EVERYONE would be able to claim losses. Cars are literally designed to lose value the second you drive them off the lot (except during that weird COVID bubble). If they allowed deductions for personal vehicle depreciation, the government would lose billions in tax revenue. I'm not saying it's fair, but I think that's the practical reason behind it.

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Derek Olson

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But isn't that precisely why it SHOULD be exempt from capital gains too? Either treat it consistently as an investment (gains and losses count) or as a personal item (neither gains nor losses count). The current system just feels like they picked whatever makes them the most money.

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Rachel Tao

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I totally agree with you that consistency would make more sense. Either count both gains and losses, or count neither. The current approach does seem designed primarily to maximize tax revenue. The funny thing is, in the vast majority of cases, exempting vehicles from capital gains would actually be better for the government because the rare cases where people sell at a profit (like during the recent supply chain issues) are far outnumbered by the normal cases where cars lose value. But tax policy isn't always logical - it evolves through politics and budget considerations more than pure fairness principles.

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Danielle Mays

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This won't help your current situation, but for anyone else reading this thread - if you have a car you think might actually appreciate or at least hold value (certain collectible models, limited editions, etc.), there's a strategy where you can document that you're buying it primarily as an investment rather than for personal use. You'd need to maintain records showing it's an investment (limited miles driven, storage conditions, maintenance records, documentation of its collectible status, etc.). You would still need to pay capital gains on any profit, but you might be able to deduct losses if you can prove investment intent.

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Roger Romero

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Do you have any sources for this? I have a 2018 limited production sports car that I drive maybe 500 miles a year and keep in climate controlled storage. I've been meticulous with documentation because I suspected it would appreciate, but my tax guy never mentioned this possibility.

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You should definitely explore this with a tax professional who specializes in collectibles and alternative investments. The key is proving "investment intent" from the time of purchase - which it sounds like you might have with your documentation and storage approach. Look into IRS Revenue Ruling 79-432 and related cases about collectible vehicles. The IRS generally looks at factors like: limited production numbers, historical appreciation trends, professional appraisals, minimal personal use, proper storage/maintenance for preservation (not just utility), and documentation showing you researched it as an investment opportunity. Your 500 miles/year usage pattern could actually work in your favor if you can show that level of restriction was specifically to preserve investment value. I'd recommend getting a professional appraisal done now to establish current fair market value for your records.

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This is such a frustrating aspect of the tax code that I've dealt with personally. The asymmetry really does feel unfair - they want their cut when you win but won't let you offset when you lose. One thing that might help future readers: if you use your vehicle for ANY business purposes (rideshare, delivery, real estate showings, business meetings, etc.), keep meticulous records. Even partial business use can sometimes allow you to claim a proportional loss deduction. The key is having contemporaneous documentation - mileage logs, business trip records, receipts showing business-related vehicle expenses. I learned this the hard way after selling my truck at a $8,000 loss and initially being told I couldn't deduct any of it. Turns out about 30% of my usage was for my consulting business, so I was able to reclaim some of that loss. It's not perfect, but it's something. The moral of the story: if you're buying a vehicle and think there's ANY chance you might use it for business, document everything from day one. You never know when those records might save you thousands in taxes later.

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