Why are so many people owing taxes this year vs getting refunds?
I've been totally confused by all the tax posts I'm seeing online this year. My family's income has been pretty much the same as last year, no changes with dependents or anything major in our situation. When I filed, I actually got about the same refund as last year. Then I remembered to add our childcare expenses and got even more back! So even without adding those extra childcare deductions, I would've gotten basically the same refund as last year. What I don't understand is why I'm seeing so many posts from people blaming some tax bill from 2017 and saying they went from getting $2500 back to suddenly owing money? And it seems to be hitting a lot of people in service jobs - waitstaff, fast food workers, retail employees - people who definitely aren't in higher tax brackets hitting 22% or anything. (Sorry if this comes across wrong, I'm genuinely just confused about what's happening to everyone else when my taxes seem normal
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Ethan Campbell
The reason many people are experiencing this tax shock has more to do with withholding changes than actual tax changes. In 2022, the IRS adjusted the withholding tables that employers use to calculate how much to take from each paycheck. This meant many workers had less withheld throughout the year - which feels great because your paychecks are bigger, but it means smaller refunds or owing at tax time. For service industry workers like servers and retail employees, this hits particularly hard because they often have variable income, multiple jobs, or tip income that makes withholding calculations more complicated. If they didn't adjust their W-4 forms to account for these changes, they might have had too little withheld all year.
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Yuki Watanabe
•But didn't those withholding changes happen years ago? Why would it suddenly hit people this year specifically? And wouldn't people have noticed bigger paychecks if that was happening?
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Ethan Campbell
•The withholding table adjustments have been rolling out in phases, and some employers implemented changes at different times. You're right that the initial changes started years ago, but the compounding effect is being felt more widely now as more employers have fully adopted the new calculations. Many people don't closely monitor slight changes in their paycheck amounts. An extra $20-40 per paycheck might go unnoticed, especially with inflation affecting everything else, but that same amount adds up to $500-1000 less in withholding over a year - which means owing at tax time instead of getting a refund.
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Carmen Sanchez
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Andre Dupont
•Does it actually look at your real tax documents or is it just a generic calculator? I've used those free calculators before and they're always way off for my situation.
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Zoe Papadakis
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Carmen Sanchez
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Andre Dupont
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ThunderBolt7
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Jamal Edwards
•How does this even work? I don't understand how a third-party service can get you through the IRS phone tree faster than just calling yourself.
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Zoe Papadakis
•This sounds fake as hell. The IRS phone lines are managed by the government. No way some random website can magically get you to the front of the line. They're probably just taking your money and you got lucky with the timing when you called.
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ThunderBolt7
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Zoe Papadakis
I need to eat my words about that Claimyr service. After posting that skeptical comment, I was still struggling to get through to the IRS about my own issue (I owed $1800 after getting $1200 back last year with similar income). Out of frustration, I tried the service. It actually worked exactly as described. I got a call back in about 25 minutes and was connected directly to an IRS representative - no hold music, no automated system to navigate. The agent explained that my employer had reduced withholding based on the updated tables but didn't notify employees. They helped me calculate the proper withholding for this year so I won't be surprised again. Saved me hours of frustration and probably a future tax bill too.
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Mei Chen
From what I understand, there were actual tax law changes from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that are hitting people now. The standard deduction went up, but personal exemptions were eliminated. For families with multiple dependents, this can actually result in owing more. Also many tax credits that people relied on were modified or eliminated. So depending on your specific situation and what deductions or credits you used to claim, you might be seeing a totally different result even with the same income.
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Liam O'Sullivan
•But wasn't that tax law passed in 2017? Why would people just now be feeling the effects in the 2025 filing season?
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Mei Chen
•Some provisions of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act were designed to phase in gradually over several years. While the law passed in 2017, certain aspects are only now taking full effect or interacting with other tax changes in ways that are becoming noticeable. Also, during the pandemic years, there were temporary tax relief measures and credits that masked some of these effects. Now that those pandemic-era benefits have expired, people are experiencing the full impact of the 2017 changes without those offsetting benefits.
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Amara Okonkwo
Anybody else notice their employer started doing withholding differently? I'm in food service and my company switched payroll systems last summer. My checks got like $30-40 bigger each pay period which was nice at the time, but now I owe $950 when I usually get about $1400 back. Never had this happen before in 12 years of working.
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Giovanni Marino
•Same thing happened at my retail job! New payroll system last spring and now most of my coworkers owe money. Our manager told us it was because the new system "more accurately calculates withholding" but nobody explained we needed to adjust our W-4s.
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